2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

It really is weird.

If I'm team that is going to be picking 26-32 then I have no issues moving my 1st for Tanev.

No hesitation at all.

Leafs are future asset poor and picking higher than that.

They'll still move their 1st for Tanev. Its happening. Programming like this on Roger's owned sportsnet is getting fans ready for the deal.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

On kypreos show they are dumbfounded that no one has offered a 1st for tanev yet. They especially can’t believe Toronto hasn’t offered their 1st for him.

‘The Flames will be lucky to get anything at all for these guys’

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by FlamesAreOne

Are we all in agreement Mercer is the preferred return over Holtz?

I would say yes. That said rumour has it the devils won’t include mercer in any deals so far.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Leafs are future asset poor and picking higher than that.

They'll still move their 1st for Tanev. Its happening. Programming like this on Roger's owned sportsnet is getting fans ready for the deal.

Then what’s the point of waiting? They don’t have a 2nd so it’s not like they can wait for that.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by FlamesAreOne

Are we all in agreement Mercer is the preferred return over Holtz?

Well
There are those here who would rather have a draft pick than either of those

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Then what’s the point of waiting? They don’t have a 2nd so it’s not like they can wait for that.

Game of chicken. Wait long enough, maybe Conroy panics and lowers his ask.

[Niemo]

I like Holtz more than Mercer by a hair to be honest.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by bluejays

I don’t think so. If anything with the past couple years’ selloff at St. Louis, they’ve shown me they’re an open honest organization not just going for it if they don’t see themselves as legit contenders. What that likely means is they know Kyrou will be expecting franchise money and term shortly and they don’t think he’s worth it. So why not maximize their return now to a sucker who may not mind making a mistake. Not too different than how Anaheim may be viewing Zegras currently. Learning organizations are a step ahead of others.

Kyrou already has the long term contract and franchise money though. Why not move Thomas as well if they are going to do a tear down.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

What's the deal with Petterson? Does he just not want to play in Vancouver, or is it a money thing? That would be a real blow to the Canucks if he leaves, similar to how we lost Chucky.

Edit: Just saw Blaster's response above. Weird, I thought with a competitive team, Vancouver would actually be a pretty desired location (all things considered) vs. a smaller market team like Calgary / Edmonton / Winnipeg, especially for European players who you don't need to worry about pining to play in their home countries.

Probably hates one of the Sedins. Not both of them because it would be funnier if he only hates one of them enough to not re-sign there.

ETA: Plus he can never figure out which one he hates.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

You're shortcutting the process. The Flames have done this before, and it didn't work - which doesn't mean it's bad outright, but at this stage of the Flames cycle I think it would be bad and the wrong move.

Not only are you trading away an 18 year old asset for a 22 year old asset and getting older, you're improving the 2024-2025 roster to (potentially) a point that will cost the Flames a top-10 pick rather than a pick in the high 30s.

Would you still do that? I certainly wouldn't. I would be patient while drafting and developing our own players.

These one-off moves can be viewed as fine, but the Flames need to approach it with a broader perspective - and timing is important.

They aren’t really shortcutting the process if they are using extra assets to get younger players with upside. I don’t think too many players that will materially impact the standings will be available for a late 1st either but if they are you take them and sell Kuzmenko/Mangiapane/Backlund/Markstrom and make the roster worse that way.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Game of chicken. Wait long enough, maybe Conroy panics and lowers his ask.

I get that part. That goes for everyone trying to get tanev. But again they don’t have a 2nd. Is he hoping that it drops to a 3rd? There are already 2nd round picks on the table from other teams

[IggyOnly]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

I get that part. That goes for everyone trying to get tanev. But again they don’t have a 2nd. Is he hoping that it drops to a 3rd? There are already 2nd round picks on the table from other teams

Could be trying for retention?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

‘The Flames will be lucky to get anything at all for these guys’

Just saw Flames nation has him as their insider.

A certified Flames hater going on a Flames show to tell us we will get scraps for our players.

[dammage79]

Alternatively. I wonder if the Wings and Flames can frame out a deal that lands Edvinsson.

They're shopping for a winger. We need LHD to replace Hanifin...

Balance out the value on the Wings side and ship Mang with Vans 1st.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by IggyOnly

Could be trying for retention?

Conroy is trying to get Treliving to throw Reaves in for one game on the 6th of april.

[StrykerSteve]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

To get Markstrom moved I’d take either/or at this point; but yes Mercer would be the preferred option. I think it’s likely Holtz + 1st, if Tanev is in there add in Casey, if Hanifin is in there instead of Tanev and is extended, add in Casey + 2nd.

You think Hanifin extended for 8 years is only worth Casey + 2nd? You are either drastically overvaluing Casey or severely undervaluing Hanifin. Or maybe a bit of both.

A fully extended Hanifin would bring in an absolute haul, imo. Multiple picks, multiple prospects, as well as a roster player (or two). Heck, even as a pure rental he likely brings in more than a prospect and a pick.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by kobasew19

They're a close second after the Kadri and kids line.

Kidri*

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Yeah Mangiapane has been taking too much grief for his play this season and a 2nd would be a poor return when there is no need to move him now, he'd be worth more as a UFA next deadline IMO.

It's funny because you see all these "he's been so bad " posts, and then when you look at his season:

5v5 Points: 24 (3rd amongst Flames Forwards)
Individual expected Goals: 11.3 (2nd)
Individual High Danger Chances: 59 (1st)

xGF%: 52.89% (4th)
HDCF%: 55.4% (1st)
GF%: 52.8% (5th)

Still driving great on ice results, and driving high danger chances, but struggling with his individual finishing with only 6 goals on an expected goals of 11.

Be interested to see how his numbers look without Backlund.

[dammage79]

Spooky ghost alert. Welcome back Stryker.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Alternatively. I wonder if the Wings and Flames can frame out a deal that lands Edvinsson.

They're shopping for a winger. We need LHD to replace Hanifin...

Balance out the value on the Wings side and ship Mang with Vans 1st.

I wonder if it’s indeed possible to land Edvinsson, with the depth the Wings have on D- Wallinder, Viro, Buium, Sandin-Pelikka…

They could move one of those players, and not miss a beat….