2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Strange Brew]

Would love to see the team trade up. Doesn't have to be for Iginla but any player the scouts are passionate about and feel has potential to be elite.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

No.

Make the pick.

Always make the pick. This team needs to make the picks.

Yeah! That pick could even turn into a top 4 LD one day maybe!

People's obsessions with making picks over acquiring young top end players blows my mind. If they're 23-26 years old. They'll still be good in a year or four. Flipside, a late 1st round pick is more likely to bust than blow up.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Monday, Febuary 26th trade deadline season Predictions:

1. NJ and Calgary finally push the Markstrom trade through the finish line. Flames get Holtz, unconditional 1st in 2024 and NJ get 25% retention.

2. Florida capitulated, sending Anton Lundell 1 for 1 for Noah Hanifin.

3. Tanev to Dallas for Dellandrea and a 1st in 2025.

4. Mangiapane to Detroit for a 2024 2nd round pick.

5. Flames extend Kylington 5 years at 4.5

#1 looks plausible, I just can't imagine NJ would not protect their pick for this year.

#2 looks realistic.

#3 looks good, although I expect a 1st would get it done.

#4 I have no idea.

#5 would be a nice deal for both parties and I hope it happens.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Just what I thought, Mangiapane is underrated here. He’s been a ‘set it and forget it’ type player for sometime in my eyes, you don’t have to worry about what you’ll get from Mangi most nights. Hang on to him and trade him next deadline is the right approach, he’s not burning a hole in the Flames pocket that’s for sure and there are other pressing matters at hand. Save for an overpay or Mangi being part of a bigger deal with a GM preferring contracts with term (Leafs/Tre) I don’t see the Flames moving on from eat bread just yet. Cheers for the analytical viewpoint as always Bingo.

Everyone wishes he was a 35 goal scorer; he isn't.

But other than too many stick foul penalties earlier in the season the guy is money.

And I'm guessing other GMs know it.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Yeah! That pick could even turn into a top 4 LD one day maybe!

People's obsessions with making picks over acquiring young top end players blows my mind. If they're 23-26 years old. They'll still be good in a year or four. Flipside, a late 1st round pick is more likely to bust than blow up.

Especially if you involve your amateur scouting staff in the decision.

They know recent draft picks from all teams.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

With each passing day we're getting more and more into the "Are the Canucks gonna lose Pettersson and are the Oilers going to lose McDavid and Drai?" situation. I like it.

How amazing if they tried to "replace" Pettersson with Lindholm! 8 X $9 please

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

No.

Make the pick.

Always make the pick. This team needs to make the picks.

Depends on the player you're trade for and the pick you have.

Let's assume the Canucks pick is 26th overall...and you could move 26th overall for an RFA that the team can't afford like maybe 22 year old Braden Schneider for example, or a Rasmus Sandin.

I'd have no issue with the Flames making a deal like that.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Monday, Febuary 26th trade deadline season Predictions:

1. NJ and Calgary finally push the Markstrom trade through the finish line. Flames get Holtz, unconditional 1st in 2024 and NJ get 25% retention.

2. Florida capitulated, sending Anton Lundell 1 for 1 for Noah Hanifin.

3. Tanev to Dallas for Dellandrea and a 1st in 2025.

4. Mangiapane to Detroit for a 2024 2nd round pick.

5. Flames extend Kylington 5 years at 4.5

Sure hope they do not trade Mangiapane for that return, the guy is the 67th best even strength point producing forward in the NHL. He cannot really get points anywhere else given that he does not play on the PP. Have to think a forward that will finish in a first line position for even strength points and is solid defensively is worth more than a 2nd round pick.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Everyone wishes he was a 35 goal scorer; he isn't.

But other than too many stick foul penalties earlier in the season the guy is money.

And I'm guessing other GMs know it.

100 percent agree; he’s constantly out during big moments and has been a durable body his entire time here, which for a guy with a slighter stature than average who plays in the dirty areas around the net and along the boards, is pretty damn commendable. Your read on the player is mine as well, I think he could return a pretty good set of assets when the time comes.

[ah123]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I'm not too thrilled with the idea of moving Mangiapane. The Backlund line is the single best thing about this squad IMO.

Wasn’t there a rumour that he has asked “for a change of scenery”?

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Yeah! That pick could even turn into a top 4 LD one day maybe!

People's obsessions with making picks over acquiring young top end players blows my mind. If they're 23-26 years old. They'll still be good in a year or four. Flipside, a late 1st round pick is more likely to bust than blow up.

I agree for sure but I think this also comes down to where the organization is at with regards to team structure and prospect pipeline. I’d argue it makes more sense for a team like Buffalo, Detroit, NJD, heck even Ottawa though maybe not this year, considering looking for deals like this because they’ve already amassed a solid base of those types of players and might need one or two more to help move the needle. The Flames are a strange one, they’ve never truly done a full fledged rebuild, or at least wouldn’t admit to it, and with how flippant Treliving was with draft capital over the years I’d say first round picks for the flames over the next two drafts are as good as gold, especially with our drafting record the last decade.

[SuperMatt18]

Yeah Mangiapane has been taking too much grief for his play this season and a 2nd would be a poor return when there is no need to move him now, he'd be worth more as a UFA next deadline IMO.

It's funny because you see all these "he's been so bad " posts, and then when you look at his season:

5v5 Points: 24 (3rd amongst Flames Forwards)
Individual expected Goals: 11.3 (2nd)
Individual High Danger Chances: 59 (1st)

xGF%: 52.89% (4th)
HDCF%: 55.4% (1st)
GF%: 52.8% (5th)

Still driving great on ice results, and driving high danger chances, but struggling with his individual finishing with only 6 goals on an expected goals of 11.

[FlamesAreOne]

Are we all in agreement Mercer is the preferred return over Holtz?

[Bingo Jr.]

Need that Diss update

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by FlamesAreOne

Are we all in agreement Mercer is the preferred return over Holtz?

To get Markstrom moved I’d take either/or at this point; but yes Mercer would be the preferred option. I think it’s likely Holtz + 1st, if Tanev is in there add in Casey, if Hanifin is in there instead of Tanev and is extended, add in Casey + 2nd.

[IggyOnly]

f5 key getting worn out for the diss update.

[kyuss275]

On kypreos show they are dumbfounded that no one has offered a 1st for tanev yet. They especially can’t believe Toronto hasn’t offered their 1st for him.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Depends on the player you're trade for and the pick you have.

Let's assume the Canucks pick is 26th overall...and you could move 26th overall for an RFA that the team can't afford like maybe 22 year old Braden Schneider for example, or a Rasmus Sandin.

I'd have no issue with the Flames making a deal like that.

You're shortcutting the process. The Flames have done this before, and it didn't work - which doesn't mean it's bad outright, but at this stage of the Flames cycle I think it would be bad and the wrong move.

Not only are you trading away an 18 year old asset for a 22 year old asset and getting older, you're improving the 2024-2025 roster to (potentially) a point that will cost the Flames a top-10 pick rather than a pick in the high 30s.

Would you still do that? I certainly wouldn't. I would be patient while drafting and developing our own players.

These one-off moves can be viewed as fine, but the Flames need to approach it with a broader perspective - and timing is important.

[SuperMatt18]

It really is weird.

If I'm team that is going to be picking 26-32 then I have no issues moving my 1st for Tanev.

No hesitation at all, he's easily the best shutdown pure defensive dman on the market.

Only way I'm not moving that 1st for Tanev is if I think I need the 1st to get Hanifin.

[Flames1217]

Originally Posted by FlamesAreOne

Are we all in agreement Mercer is the preferred return over Holtz?

Yes, pretty sure Huska would agree also.

Feels like Holtz would have to earn Huska trust over time seeing as he is more of a skilled base player (like Sharky) whereas Mercer is more capable defensively and far more well rounded and would gain Huska's trust very easily.