2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by butterfly

I looked at the top 192 forwards in scoring and ordered them by cap hit. The median player turned out to be Nugent-Hopkins. So half of them get paid more than him and half of them get paid less. You said "top 6 scoring forwards".

Look at the top 10 highest paid forwards and compare that list of all stars to the mediocrity of the top 10 highest paid goaltenders.

Well the 16th highest paid goalie who has played in the NHL this year has a cap hit of 5 million dollars. There have been 92 goalies who have appeared in the NHL so 16th would be in the top 17.4%.

There have been 567 forwards who have played a game in the NHL this year so your 96th best player would be in the top 16.9% of all forwards.

Your idea to compared the 10 highest paid goalies (which would be the top 10.9%) of goalies with the 10 highest paid forwards (top 1.8% of forwards) is just another example of skewing the criteria so that goalies look like they are paid significantly less.

Regardless, my broader point stands. Forwards get traded all the time, largely because they are more interchangeable. Starting goalies almost never get traded because once you find one you rarely give them up.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by butterfly

What's arbitrary about it? Here are the top 32 goalies in the league (34 because of ties), since you restricted it to "starting goalies". I didn't give out any of these contracts.

That Bob contract sticks out like a sore thumb. Absolute ####ing terrible lol.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

I actually feel like there's a decent probability the Oilers would pony up their 1st.

Especially if their poor defence continues to get exposed.

I'd feel terrible for Tanev and what they'd put him through up there though. They'd expect him to be a human shield while the rest of the D and 9.25M Nurse coast around aimlessly.

[BigJim]

Sorry if I missed it somewhere, has it actually been confirmed or at least commented by a CP insider that any purported negotiation for Markstrom to NJ is off, or is this just the collective deciding it is due to NJ's current position in the standings?

[trackercowe]

Originally Posted by BigJim

Sorry if I missed it somewhere, has it actually been confirmed or at least commented by a CP insider that any purported negotiation for Markstrom to NJ is off, or is this just the collective deciding it is due to NJ's current position in the standings?

I believe it's just their (rapidly falling) position in the standings. They're more out of it than the Flames are.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Ok, who is that goalie going to be?

Probably a worse goalie who probably won't help them much. I can see the Devils going into the dumpster bin for a goalie and it will be funny because that's not what they need.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by BigJim

Sorry if I missed it somewhere, has it actually been confirmed or at least commented by a CP insider that any purported negotiation for Markstrom to NJ is off, or is this just the collective deciding it is due to NJ's current position in the standings?

I have not read any recent posts from an CP insider that has commented about the situation in terms if trade talks are ongoing

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by Bingo

You've got a strange sense of humour.

I tend not to chuckle when the team I root for misses out on opportunity.

Thanks - everyone has their own sense of humour. I am sure there are lots of things that I find funny that you won't and vice versa.

Who knows, maybe the Devils get a worse goalie and the Flames trade Markstrom somewhere else with an even bigger opportunity. I didn't say anything about the Flames losing out on an opportunity as there are 30 other teams.

I would encourage you to broaden your perspective and think of other possibilities for the Flames.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

What would be more funny is is they do that and they continue to miss the playoff the next 3 years and wasted all those ELC years. And they have to pay for their young stars and still have a inferior goalie, then continue to miss the playoff by a few points.

Absolutely, this is what I was getting at. It seems lots of GMs in the league continue to not want to invest in goaltending.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by Macindoc

There are two goaltenders with a better goals saved above expected than Markstrom. Needless to say, Demko and Hellebuyck are not available at almost any price.

Nope. But that doesn't mean the Devils can't acquire a way worse goalie thinking they may be their answer. Someone like a Matt Murray of the past after he finished winning with Pittsburgh.

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I can't believe there are multiple posters saying "up the offer" to Hanifin, because he's been playing well.

Don't get me wrong, I think he is a great player (I rate him higher than most people here, I think), but you don't make organizational decisions with that kind of ride-the-momentum, recency bias.

The Flames made a reasonable offer - 8 x $7.5M - which most people thought was either fair or too much, and Hanifin made his decision. Fine. Trade him and get a fair return on the asset.

But now some of you want to up the offer to $8-8.5M at the last minute, just because he's been o a roll. News flash: sometimes guys play well in contract years. Panicking, and throwing the vault at him last minute, is not how you run an organization.

Except the flames' offer which was fair or perhaps even a slight overpay was based on what he'd done up until this year. He's taken another step. It's not based on a game or two.

He's an exciting player right now, but it has as much to do with his progression the last couple years than it does what happened yesterday or last week. He's taken a step every year the last 3 years. Now he's a step away from being an undisputed #1, and I believe he takes it. Those guys are worth more than 8.

Hilariously, some of the people saying he's on a contract year heater are the same ones who repeat every off season that Hanifin is what he is by this point.

He is what he is guys, a solid top 4 d man. He is what he is guys, a decent number 3 on a non playoff team. He is what he is guys, a passable top pair dman. He is what he is guys, the number 1 dman this franchise needs.

His progression, pedigree, matches what we know about 27 year old dmen in this league, that there's probably another level with this player.

Not being able to adjust the offer to meet changing circumstances would be foolish. That said, there likely isn't an offer that keeps him here. Hopefully his value on the trade market is growing.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Florida seems like a good fit, and a place where Hanifin would re-sign.
But they are already in a pick deficit.
So let's just keep this simple Kitties:
Lundell+Gracyn Sawchyn +2025 2nd for Hanifin.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Thanks - everyone has their own sense of humour. I am sure there are lots of things that I find funny that you won't and vice versa.

Who knows, maybe the Devils get a worse goalie and the Flames trade Markstrom somewhere else with an even bigger opportunity. I didn't say anything about the Flames losing out on an opportunity as there are 30 other teams.

I would encourage you to broaden your perspective and think of other possibilities for the Flames.

You're not fooling anyone.

You have a history of negativity, so I'm guessing the 100 people that read your post took it exactly how I took it. ... Someone that seems to find joy in the misery of the fan base.

I think my perspectives are pretty broad thanks.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by Bingo

You're not fooling anyone.

You have a history of negativity, so I'm guessing the 100 people that read your post took it exactly how I took it. ... Someone that seems to find joy in the misery of the fan base.

I think my perspectives are pretty broad thanks.

Its okay. Once in a while, its okay to say you overreacted cheers!

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by bluejays

His value is unlikely to ever be higher. For a rebuilding team he could return a hefty value as well improve their draft position. Kills numerous birds with one stone to deal him. Mentorship isn’t worth the price of keeping him. Sign another vet like Andersen from Carolina for mentorship.

It might be higher after the reg season ends with NJD out and CGY in.

Priority right now has to be Noah and Chris.

Conroy probably told NJD his price. If they don't want to meet it then they can pound sand and continue running around with mouse ears on.

This whole thing, especially the media leaks, wreak of NJD trying to exploit and pressure Conroy. It backfired because he holds all the cards. I'm loving it. Marky is an important part of this club. With him here, we have at least two years before we need to worry about goaltending.

All this talk of rebuild and windows is utter nonsense. A new 'window' opens up every October and this team intends to compete every year. Our previous management regimes did a poor job of that by selling the future for quick fixes, but that seems to have changed. We are never getting a Crosby/Matthews/McDavid unless we outsmart everyone in the draft or win the lottery. And we don't need to intentionally suck in order for that to happen.

[JurassicTunga12]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Florida seems like a good fit, and a place where Hanifin would re-sign.
But they are already in a pick deficit.
So let's just keep this simple Kitties:
Lundell+Gracyn Sawchyn +2025 2nd for Hanifin.

This is what I’m hoping for.
As far as potential suitors, Florida and New Jersey are the best options to me for what they can give up. Bruins, then Tampa last.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Well the 16th highest paid goalie who has played in the NHL this year has a cap hit of 5 million dollars. There have been 92 goalies who have appeared in the NHL so 16th would be in the top 17.4%.

There have been 567 forwards who have played a game in the NHL this year so your 96th best player would be in the top 16.9% of all forwards.

Your idea to compared the 10 highest paid goalies (which would be the top 10.9%) of goalies with the 10 highest paid forwards (top 1.8% of forwards) is just another example of skewing the criteria so that goalies look like they are paid significantly less.

Regardless, my broader point stands. Forwards get traded all the time, largely because they are more interchangeable. Starting goalies almost never get traded because once you find one you rarely give them up.

Except the bottom paid 10 starting goalies outperform the top paid 10 starting goalies. Try that with forwards or defense.

[Flamesfan05]

Return for Hanifin will probably be similar to Lindholm at best

1st pick
Another lower pick
A middling prospect, not their top 3
A roster player that they don’t need for the playoffs

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

It might be higher after the reg season ends with NJD out and CGY in.

Priority right now has to be Noah and Chris.

Conroy probably told NJD his price. If they don't want to meet it then they can pound sand and continue running around with mouse ears on.

This whole thing, especially the media leaks, wreak of NJD trying to exploit and pressure Conroy. It backfired because he holds all the cards. I'm loving it. Marky is an important part of this club. With him here, we have at least two years before we need to worry about goaltending.

All this talk of rebuild and windows is utter nonsense. A new 'window' opens up every October and this team intends to compete every year. Our previous management regimes did a poor job of that by selling the future for quick fixes, but that seems to have changed. We are never getting a Crosby/Matthews/McDavid unless we outsmart everyone in the draft or win the lottery. And we don't need to intentionally suck in order for that to happen.

Regarding not having a superstar on the team, St. Louis seems to be the only team in recent memory who didn’t have one. So to say we can do it without one, is a foolish game to play. There is no quick fix. The odds are you need to tank for a season or two to see yourself up for a decade of a legit chance to win it all.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Its okay. Once in a while, its okay to say you overreacted cheers!

You post something designed to irritate people, and then when you get called out on it, you raise your hands up, tell them to go outside and stop being so confrontational, and then tell them that they have overreacted.


I will never understand people who spend their time online trying to get a rise out of others.