Conroy has always said, the only way Markstrom gets traded is if someone comes and blows him away with an offer. why would he compromise now? Personally, I couldn't think of a better guy to have around mentoring Wolf and providing stability on a team undergoing a transformation like we'll be going through over the next couple of years and he'll still have value as a deadline deal next year or the year after.
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Markstrom is definitely top of the bunch and by quite a bit. Comes down to sending away 2-3 pieces away, all of which are young in the form of picks/prospects/current NHLers and getting Markstrom, the best of the group of goalies or signing a lesser goalie that you hope will be better than Vanacek for free and you get to keep all of the assets in the organization.
Conroy has always said, the only way Markstrom gets traded is if someone comes and blows him away with an offer. why would he compromise now? Personally, I couldn't think of a better guy to have around mentoring Wolf and providing stability on a team undergoing a transformation like we'll be going through over the next couple of years and he'll still have value as a deadline deal next year or the year after.
His value is unlikely to ever be higher. For a rebuilding team he could return a hefty value as well improve their draft position. Kills numerous birds with one stone to deal him. Mentorship isn’t worth the price of keeping him. Sign another vet like Andersen from Carolina for mentorship.
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The issue is not getting a goalie better than Markstrom. It's getting a goalie that can do the job, that will cost something in the range NJ is comfortable with.
Ok, then go ahead and pick a goalie from that list you would commit to as a GM, that "can do the job"
By definition there are 6x32=192 "top 6 scoring forwards" in the league. You need 25 points or more to be in this club. The median player for salary, 96th ranked Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, makes $5.125M. So clearly GMs value these players more than starting goaltenders.
With respect to goalies, among "starters" (minimum 27 GP, that's what the top 32 goalies have):
Lowest paid 10: 2.64 GAA .911 SV%
Highest paid 10: 2.78 GAA .908 SV%
They're as fungible as one dollar bill compared to any other.
The 96th highest scoring forward in the league is Alex Tuch who has 38 points.
The 96th highest scoring forward by salary cap who makes the criteria of top six forward by median point total is Wyatt Johnston at 894,167 dollars a year.
Not sure why goalies have criteria like games played to be included but forwards don’t have criteria. Seems arbitrary and a convenient way to lower the average salary of starting goalies and raise the salary of top 6 forwards.
For your goalie stats you are counting 35 goalies out of 64 who make an NHL salary and then saying that the salary is lower. For your forwards you are counting virtually every single forward which means of course the average salary will be higher. 25 points is the median for all players, not just top 6. The median for top six is 38 points.
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The 96th highest scoring forward in the league is Alex Tuch who has 38 points.
The 96th highest scoring forward by salary cap who makes the criteria of top six forward by median point total is Wyatt Johnston at 894,167 dollars a year.
Not sure why goalies have criteria like games played to be included but forwards don’t have criteria like points scored. Seems arbitrary and a convenient way to lower the average salary of starting goalies and raise the salary of top 6 forwards.
I looked at the top 192 forwards in scoring and ordered them by cap hit. The median player turned out to be Nugent-Hopkins. So half of them get paid more than him and half of them get paid less. You said "top 6 scoring forwards".
Look at the top 10 highest paid forwards and compare that list of all stars to the mediocrity of the top 10 highest paid goaltenders.
The 96th highest scoring forward in the league is Alex Tuch who has 38 points.
The 96th highest scoring forward by salary cap who makes the criteria of top six forward by median point total is Wyatt Johnston at 894,167 dollars a year.
Not sure why goalies have criteria like games played to be included but forwards don’t have criteria. Seems arbitrary and a convenient way to lower the average salary of starting goalies and raise the salary of top 6 forwards.
For your goalie stats you are counting 35 goalies out of 64 who make an NHL salary and then saying that the salary is lower. For your forwards you are counting virtually every single forward which means of course the average salary will be higher. 25 points is the median for all players, not just top 6. The median for top six is 38 points.
What's arbitrary about it? Here are the top 32 goalies in the league (34 because of ties), since you restricted it to "starting goalies". I didn't give out any of these contracts.
No thanks. Two unprotected first round picks + broberg + Holloway and maybe I’d consider it… but even then, I just can’t bring myself to help the oilers in any way. People can come back with the “take the best offer no matter who it is” all day but I hate that franchise and fanbase so much, it doesn’t matter if they offer the best return.
Mark Griffith here is speculating Boston (see 5:42 min mark) and Tampa (see 7:13 min mark) as two interested teams in Hanifin but notes Boston is not deep in pics and prospects to offer.
As far as Tampa goes they could offer a 2026 first rounder and perhaps other picks in 2025.
It will be funny when New Jersey makes a trade for a goalie - but its not Markstrom.
There are two goaltenders with a better goals saved above expected than Markstrom. Needless to say, Demko and Hellebuyck are not available at almost any price.
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It will be funny when New Jersey makes a trade for a goalie - but its not Markstrom.
What would be more funny is is they do that and they continue to miss the playoff the next 3 years and wasted all those ELC years. And they have to pay for their young stars and still have a inferior goalie, then continue to miss the playoff by a few points.
