We are talking about Bill Maher not Joe Rogan. Maher is not even on their list.
The post you quoted mentioned Rogan and that’s who I thought you were talking about. Sorry.
I don’t think Maher dismissing LGBTQ+ as trendy is as innocent as you do. He also has on and enables anti-trans legislators. I think it’s fine if you want to “just ask questions” but he likes to nod along and say “I agree” with some pretty heinous answers.
Case in point would be his appearance on Riley Gaines (an anti-trans activist) podcast. You can go look it up, but he agreed (not just nodded along, but acknowledged and said “I agree”) with several of her anti-trans talking points, like “they don’t want equal rights, they want to take our rights” and “the idea of that community being oppressed is silly.”
It’s not like he was unable to speak his mind and correct her either. She directly follows it up with “people don’t see color anymore” and he jumps on that and clarifies a much more intelligent and measured answer that what her idiotic mind could come up with.
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This is the person’s podcast he went on and had no problem agreeing with on endless anti-trans issues, for even more context: https://glaad.org/gap/riley-gaines/
He's also anti-children and anti-religion, but I don't hold that against him, even though I disagree with some of his key talking points. It's just how he wants to live his life, and he discusses topics from that perspective.
But he's also pro-intellect, and pro-intelligent debate. He also doesn't hide behind rhetoric and brings facts to back every point he makes.
It's not as if he's some anti-liberal monster, but he often gets painted that way because he challenges the status quo.
Give me 10 Bill Mahers for every Tucker Carlson out there and we have a better media discussion of ideas and topics. Will he get it right every time? No. He's human, and prone to bias and his own logical fallacies, but others hold him in check and that's why he invites the debate onto his show. I've yelled out loud about comment he's made on air, especially about vaccines, but on the whole, he has a good perspective on things.
It's a rare concept in modern media, to have an opinion from your own perspective, and debate/defend the merits of those positions. He's not saying he's the only one to listen to, he's just one voice of the many he has on his show. I agree with most people and positions, and I disagree with some. It doesn't meant I need to shut down the discussion full force because I disagree, but many people in our culture would love to do so just because of one position that they dislike.
Get over it. That's our society, for better or worse. Either live with someone saying something you don't love, but is backed by facts and reason, or get off the intellectual discussion bus.
Just being pissed off at people doesn't actually change anything. Try talking through stuff and empathize a little with where someone is coming from. It won't kill you, even if it feels uncomfortable.
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Not so far, at least in what matters most. Life expectancy changes in the last decade:
USA: 78.8 -> 77.5 (1.3 years lost)
Canada: 81.7 -> 81.6 (0.1 years lost)
It's particularly bad for men in the US; male life expectancy has dropped from 76.4 a decade ago to 73.5 now, nearly 3 years lost. While in Canada it has held roughly steady going from 79.6 to 79.3 now. The US's male life expectancy is now closer to Iraq, Egypt, or Syria's than it is to Canada's.
Interesting! Not sure of the time frame or when was the last year of this data, but would suspect that the pandemic has something to do with this. It had a disproportionate effect on the aged.
He's also anti-children and anti-religion, but I don't hold that against him, even though I disagree with some of his key talking points. It's just how he wants to live his life, and he discusses topics from that perspective.
But he's also pro-intellect, and pro-intelligent debate. He also doesn't hide behind rhetoric and brings facts to back every point he makes.
It's not as if he's some anti-liberal monster, but he often gets painted that way because he challenges the status quo.
Give me 10 Bill Mahers for every Tucker Carlson out there and we have a better media discussion of ideas and topics. Will he get it right every time? No. He's human, and prone to bias and his own logical fallacies, but others hold him in check and that's why he invites the debate onto his show. I've yelled out loud about comment he's made on air, especially about vaccines, but on the whole, he has a good perspective on things.
It's a rare concept in modern media, to have an opinion from your own perspective, and debate/defend the merits of those positions. He's not saying he's the only one to listen to, he's just one voice of the many he has on his show. I agree with most people and positions, and I disagree with some. It doesn't meant I need to shut down the discussion full force because I disagree, but many people in our culture would love to do so just because of one position that they dislike.
Get over it. That's our society, for better or worse. Either live with someone saying something you don't love, but is backed by facts and reason, or get off the intellectual discussion bus.
Just being pissed off at people doesn't actually change anything. Try talking through stuff and empathize a little with where someone is coming from. It won't kill you, even if it feels uncomfortable.
Great, having more journalistic integrity than Tucker isn’t a very high bar. If he’s allowing for and supporting hateful speech against people like my nephew he can F off. There’s more good journalism out there than we think, we are just too lazy to find it and consume it, we don’t need guys like this if he can’t see the harm he causes and hides behind it.
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Bill Maher is not really a journalist, he's a comedian and a political discussion show host. The purpose of his show is for people to debate topics and current events, get's lot's of different opinions without issues with other network tv debates.
He is more of a host to a political panel discussion where people speak a little more freely but it can piss some people off if your not use to it. That's sometimes what makes the show entertaining. It's Liberals, Conservatives, Left, Right, Men/Women and different races discussing and debating topics. You really don't get this type of tv anymore because well, frankly, everybody get's offended.
He has become the poster boy for more sane/Classic Liberals from Conservatives for calling out a lot of the nonsense from extreme progressive polices and ideas.
Although he is double vaxxed and was hard on Trump during Covid, he has questioned a lot of things that went down and why people in power made specific decisions and why there has been little in the way of follow up. This has empowered some anti Covid/vax people and angered the type of people who wanted forever lockdowns and wear masks in the shower.
He is the type of panel show host who's hard to nail down and he's open to changing his opinions and segments one way or another.
His show is more entertainment and hearing differing views. He is on my opposite political spectrum but I enjoy the show, the guests and more.
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He's also anti-children and anti-religion, but I don't hold that against him, even though I disagree with some of his key talking points. It's just how he wants to live his life, and he discusses topics from that perspective.
But he's also pro-intellect, and pro-intelligent debate. He also doesn't hide behind rhetoric and brings facts to back every point he makes.
It's not as if he's some anti-liberal monster, but he often gets painted that way because he challenges the status quo.
Give me 10 Bill Mahers for every Tucker Carlson out there and we have a better media discussion of ideas and topics. Will he get it right every time? No. He's human, and prone to bias and his own logical fallacies, but others hold him in check and that's why he invites the debate onto his show. I've yelled out loud about comment he's made on air, especially about vaccines, but on the whole, he has a good perspective on things.
It's a rare concept in modern media, to have an opinion from your own perspective, and debate/defend the merits of those positions. He's not saying he's the only one to listen to, he's just one voice of the many he has on his show. I agree with most people and positions, and I disagree with some. It doesn't meant I need to shut down the discussion full force because I disagree, but many people in our culture would love to do so just because of one position that they dislike.
Get over it. That's our society, for better or worse. Either live with someone saying something you don't love, but is backed by facts and reason, or get off the intellectual discussion bus.
Just being pissed off at people doesn't actually change anything. Try talking through stuff and empathize a little with where someone is coming from. It won't kill you, even if it feels uncomfortable.
rubecube went heavy handed with it, but Maher's rhetoric and persona certainly lends itself to what they're saying. And I disagree with you: Maher definitely hides behind rhetoric.
I can appreciate where Maher is appearing to position himself. That is, "can't we just talk about this?" In fact, I think that should be embraced more often, but I would like it to be more genuine. The problem I have is that he's clearly obfuscating his position with his influence.
For instance, he's routinely wanting to validate queer and trans folks, but always has this niggling problem we need to discuss. "Yes, it's OK to be trans, but we need to address how trans athletes are a threat" or, "Yes, it's OK to be trans and they are a minority, but they are such a danger to free speech and liberty".
The scales are never balanced in his commentary: Queer and trans people deserve a right to exist without levied hate and violence, but did you also know that they can compete against your child or go into the same bathroom as your kids, and that is just as equal a problem? I'm simplifying things, but the point is that he counters LGBTQ+ rights with monstrously minute objections, while often giving the latter more attention and airtime.
Pepsi pointed it out well:
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I don’t think Maher dismissing LGBTQ+ as trendy is as innocent as you do. He also has on and enables anti-trans legislators. I think it’s fine if you want to “just ask questions” but he likes to nod along and say “I agree” with some pretty heinous answers.
Case in point would be his appearance on Riley Gaines (an anti-trans activist) podcast. You can go look it up, but he agreed (not just nodded along, but acknowledged and said “I agree”) with several of her anti-trans talking points, like “they don’t want equal rights, they want to take our rights” and “the idea of that community being oppressed is silly.”
It’s not like he was unable to speak his mind and correct her either. She directly follows it up with “people don’t see color anymore” and he jumps on that and clarifies a much more intelligent and measured answer that what her idiotic mind could come up with.
I've noticed this trend with Bill Maher more and more lately. It's not so much a "let's talk about this", but rather a "aren't you noticing how damaging these people are to society?". It's tough because I've been a total Dave Chappelle STAN for a long time. While I think Dave, much like Bill, probably would prefer to have real conversations play out, I'm just turned off by how they go about it.
I'm more receptive to Jon Stewart pointing out that 'Joe Biden is also old' than Bill Maher complaining that 'trans people can also suck'.
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He's also anti-children and anti-religion, but I don't hold that against him, even though I disagree with some of his key talking points. It's just how he wants to live his life, and he discusses topics from that perspective.
But he's also pro-intellect, and pro-intelligent debate. He also doesn't hide behind rhetoric and brings facts to back every point he makes.
It's not as if he's some anti-liberal monster, but he often gets painted that way because he challenges the status quo.
Give me 10 Bill Mahers for every Tucker Carlson out there and we have a better media discussion of ideas and topics. Will he get it right every time? No. He's human, and prone to bias and his own logical fallacies, but others hold him in check and that's why he invites the debate onto his show. I've yelled out loud about comment he's made on air, especially about vaccines, but on the whole, he has a good perspective on things.
It's a rare concept in modern media, to have an opinion from your own perspective, and debate/defend the merits of those positions. He's not saying he's the only one to listen to, he's just one voice of the many he has on his show. I agree with most people and positions, and I disagree with some. It doesn't meant I need to shut down the discussion full force because I disagree, but many people in our culture would love to do so just because of one position that they dislike.
Get over it. That's our society, for better or worse. Either live with someone saying something you don't love, but is backed by facts and reason, or get off the intellectual discussion bus.
Just being pissed off at people doesn't actually change anything. Try talking through stuff and empathize a little with where someone is coming from. It won't kill you, even if it feels uncomfortable.
Sorry there’s no way this soap boxing is actually about Bill Maher, right? Unfunny comedian and talk show host Bill Maher? “Intellectual discussion bus”??
My god man.
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Fake Lake tries to make amends with Meghan McCain after her relentless attacks on her and her Dad.
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“Kari Lake is trying to walk back her continued attacks on my Dad (& family) and all of his loyal supporters after telling them to ‘get the hell out,’” Meghan McCain wrote on X the day prior. “Guess she realized she can’t become a Senator without us. No peace, bitch. We see you for who you are - and are repulsed by it.”
Although the segment is nearly 2 years old, it's a good example. Nothing has really changed with how Maher presents himself on a major platform.
"So everyone is going queer...what's all that about?"
Well, dummy, it might have to do with progression. Why are black business owners more common now than 1956? Why are there more interracial couples in the same span? Why are more people expressing socialist ideology?
It's the same stupid #### I mentioned before...quote: "I'm happy for LGBT folks that we now live in an age where they can live their authentic lives openly, and we should always be mindful of respecting and protecting...but someone needs to say it: not everything's about you."
Good for you folks, but also #### you folks. The article highlights the other lowlights of the segment so I don't need to get into it, but it's prototypical Bill Maher. Cloaking #### positions behind 'humour' and pseudo-intellectual bafflegab as some kind of enlightened centrist.
That was hard to watch. The trained seals barking and clapping after every dumb sentence fell out of his mouth made it worse.
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I have repeatedly tried to read an entire article about this but each time I get to the appalling religious rhetoric from a state's Supreme Court Justices I get too angry and have to close it out. We're just not even attempting to pretend there's a line between church and state anymore.
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I have repeatedly tried to read an entire article about this but each time I get to the appalling religious rhetoric from a state's Supreme Court Justices I get too angry and have to close it out. We're just not even attempting to pretend there's a line between church and state anymore.
As a couple we struggled with fertility which is a very difficult thing, this makes it even worse. Such a backwards step, literally preventing people,from having the kids they want because of this religious bs. Cruel.
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