2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[dammage79]

What's with Dallas? They call up Stankoven and then send him back down 8 hours later.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Dunno if you've heard but McLeod isn't playing hockey for the foreseeable future. He's chilling with Dube in some hidey hole .

Dunno if you can read, but he referenced Sharangovich as supporting evidence for the Devils doing weird things at C.

Dunno if you've heard but Sharangovich got traded to Calgary in the offseason.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by dammage79

What's with Dallas? They call up Stankoven and then send him back down 8 hours later.

Duchene was able to play and thus no need for emergency recall.

[atb]

Originally Posted by RedHawk12

To be honest, Saros for Mercer or Holtz makes a lot more sense than Markstrom for Mercer +++ or Holtz +++

Only issue is Saros has 1 year remaining and then will be looking for a pay increase that will make it tougher cap wise for the Devils.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I could be misremembering, but wasn't Lindholm stuck playing the wing in Carolina when we acquired him and moved him back to center?

He played wing when he got here for a season.

They blew up the lines before the outdoor festival game and moved him to C.

We couldn’t produce any offence consistently with that line broken up so in the bubble they tried it out again.

After that he played C consistently.

[Flames1217]

Originally Posted by RedHawk12

To be honest, Saros for Mercer or Holtz makes a lot more sense than Markstrom for Mercer +++ or Holtz +++

Not really when you look at the way NJ has set things up.

First off, 95% of the board here probably believes that Saros is worth much more than Markstrom. Thus meaning that Nashville is probably asking for a lot more than Calgary.

Saros is signed this year and next whereas Markstrom has two more years following this season. New Jersey is currently set up where they basically have to make noise in the next 2-3 years as they have some players who are going to require significant raises (notably Hughes and Nemec). Having Saros essentially further complicates their cap situation when Hughes is up and they are already tight for cash.

I understand that Saros is younger and all but if New Jersey thinks that Daws will be ready in three years to take a true number one role, Markstrom would cost less than Saros, better fit their window and provide similar leadership for Daws that Saros could provide.

This is all of course considering retention on Markstrom. So in essence I would say that NJ would be paying Mercer straight across for Markstrom and would have to pay Mercer ++ for Saros, which doesn't make sense considering everything above.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Flames1217

Not really when you look at the way NJ has set things up.

First off, 95% of the board here probably believes that Saros is worth much more than Markstrom. Thus meaning that Nashville is probably asking for a lot more than Calgary.

Saros is signed this year and next whereas Markstrom has two more years following this season. New Jersey is currently set up where they basically have to make noise in the next 2-3 years as they have some players who are going to require significant raises (notably Hughes and Nemec). Having Saros essentially further complicates their cap situation when Hughes is up and they are already tight for cash.

I understand that Saros is younger and all but if New Jersey thinks that Daws will be ready in three years to take a true number one role, Markstrom would cost less than Saros, better fit their window and provide similar leadership for Daws that Saros could provide.

This is all of course considering retention on Markstrom. So in essence I would say that NJ would be paying Mercer straight across for Markstrom and would have to pay Mercer ++ for Saros, which doesn't make sense considering everything above.

That might be the board consensus which tends to underrate the value of our players, most of what I have heard is similar value .

[OutToLunch]

Originally Posted by RedHawk12

To be honest, Saros for Mercer or Holtz makes a lot more sense than Markstrom for Mercer +++ or Holtz +++

I think Saros has kind of sucked this year, 25th in GAA with 3.02, Markstrom is 5th with a 2.60. Saros has a .902 save% (39th), Markstrom is .913(17th).
^ Ranked among goalies with 10+ games played. I don't have the advanced stats, but I'm sure Markstrom is better there too.

[Flames1217]

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[Royle9]

Saros is younger, but Markstrom is historically better across the board.
Not sure why people are undervaluing him so much especially this year.

[dammage79]

That's the entire point, selling high on Markstrom knowing full well he's not a long term solution for the Flames. Plus the biggest selling point to Markstrom waiving is how many of the core will be leaving this season. I think anybody with any half decent brain would see that even in a retool that the next two seasons are a washout for any sort of cup run fantasy.

If Marky wants a chance to go on a run it's gonna be elsewhere for the duration of his contract.

Saros isn't even guaranteed to be traded. I suppose neither are, but the best chance would be Markstrom.

[RedHawk12]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

That might be the board consensus which tends to underrate the value of our players, most of what I have heard is similar value .

Yes, I view them as similar too. Actually I'd say Markstrom > Saros, overall but especially this year.

So I know a lot of fans here the past week or so have been hoping for a package somewhere in the neighborhood of Markstrom retained for Mercer, Casey, 1st.

If Nashville is open to trading Saros for Holtz + 1st, I'd personally much rather do that if I was NJ. Don't have to give up Mercer or Casey, and Saros and Markstrom project similarly from year to year (Markstrom is better this year and Saros was better last year).

If NJ makes that deal with Nashville instead, as a Flames fan would you be bummed out that we missed out on Holtz + 1st for Markstrom? I personally would be. Looking at past trades for goalies, i don't think you can get a player like that often.

It's good that we are allegedly pushing NJ pretty hard. But it's not like we are the only option they have, even if we might be plan A for them. I dont mind the posturing, but if there's a deal involving Holtz + 1st, my personal opinion is we should go for it.

[Beninho]

Daws getting lit up, time to pay the price New Jersey

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Saros is younger, but Markstrom is historically better across the board.
Not sure why people are undervaluing him so much especially this year.

How is Markstrom historically better?

Markstrom has a career 91% and Saros has a an amazing career 91.7%. That's a very large difference as far as starters go.

This is despite the fact that Markstrom played much of his career during an era in which it was much easier to have a higher save percentage.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

What?
Name the 20 players from 2020 NHL draft you'd take ahead of him?

He's producing almost the same as Zary in way less ice-time. Same draft. do you think Zary is worth more or less than a late round pick?

I would take every single player taken ahead of him.

I would add Perfetti, Quinn, Rossi, Lundell, Jarvis, Mercer, Neighbors, Guhle, Schneider, Askarov and Faber.

So maybe on his best day I would have him 18th fighting with guys like Barron, Zary, Forester, Chinakov and Greig for that spot. Could be 18th could be 23rd.

[Paulie Walnuts]

It makes sense for Jersey. They get a goalie signed for 2 more years before they have to start paying everyone else.

We can also assist them in taking Mercer or Holtz or both and take care of those contracts with us.

[Flames1217]

Originally Posted by Beninho

Daws getting lit up, time to pay the price New Jersey

Daws gets lit up and Mercer still getting very low ice time in comparison to his norm.

I agree, let's just get it over with already lol.

[Naitix]

Mercer with 11 minutes of ice time, Daws with 6 goals against on 25 shots, Devils 4 points out of playoffs. This is perfect, let’s do it

[iloveicedhockey]

Has to happen now to make sense.

[Funkhouser]

I would be ok with a mid-game trade
"Mercer, get off the ice...GM wants to see you"