2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Toonage

lol Frank pouring all the cold water on Flames trades right now on Barn Burner. Christ.

What did he say?

Why do they even have him on?

Anyone notice none of the reputable reporters are actually on 50 podcasts a day to get their name out?

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

We have opportunity for someone like a Brodie to come here on a 1 year deal, play well for half a season and get traded to a contender.

We still need defenceman for next season, even if we don't trade Hanifin and Tanev they would have to be signed. Kylington needs a contract, and I don't think we have anyone from the minors to graduate as a fulltime player yet.

Andersson - Weegar
Pachal - ???????

Sure, do you pay Brodie 8 million for one year? 10 million? Because there is going to be about 17 million to pay 2-3 dmen next year. How much do you have to overpay Brodie in order to make moving Markstrom be a financial necessity? That was the original point. I have no problem signing Brodie to a one year deal at 4 million. Hell I do not have a problem signing him to a one year deal at 8 million outside the fact that even with 50% retention it makes him almost impossible to move. It is the owners money, they can do what they want. My only point was that the Flames do not need the cap space that a Markstrom move would provide.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by activeStick

I feel like Conroy has the advantage and doesn't need to even trade Markstrom this season. Off season will present more options and the need for a number 1 goalie in NJ will still be there, except there are more teams they'll need to bid against. I don't see any pressure on the Flames side at all.

Not really sure. I think offseason will be worse as teams will have more options on goalies as well. Right now it is basically Saros and Markstrom for goalies with term that are good and available. Who knows who will be available in the offseason.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Who knows how desperate they are for a goalie. Seems like they feel the need to add.

If they were that desperate then the deal would be done.

[Toonage]

Heres what I caught (Seravalli on Barn Burner):
Basically reiterating his stance on Noah wanting Tampa, how that limits the Flames, how Tampa can't necessarily do it but teams know Noah wants to sign there anyway so sending him somewhere as a rental limits them.

Brings up things being quiet on Markstrom, doesn't want to speculate on previously suggested deal/rumor, notes that a lot of people were looking for signs something was coming. Ahem. Salim (my edit). Did say that the Devils have offered Holtz up to other teams before (ie: San Jose in the Meier deal). Inference being it was possible he was in there.

Other notes:

D market "eating out of Conroy's hands" (and yet ####s on Hanifin's potential suitors later)
Long list of teams looking at Tanev, Flames struggling to find market for Hanifin
Flames looking for a 1st, maybe adding contract coming back to make that a 1st. Multiple 2nd picks available though from teams.
Interested in Tanev are Dallas, Toronto (though no assets aside from the 1st), he trails off and more or less suggests all the contenders.
Again suggests Tanev won't get a late 1st, unless its conditional

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by activeStick

I feel like Conroy has the advantage and doesn't need to even trade Markstrom this season. Off season will present more options and the need for a number 1 goalie in NJ will still be there, except there are more teams they'll need to bid against. I don't see any pressure on the Flames side at all.

I don't know about that.

The offseason the market will soften, as teams will not be in the heat of the season and feeling the pressure to make a move. A lot more options become available, you go into free agency and option B might be cheaper.

A few teams right now could jump from treading water into a legit contender with better goaltending.

If the rumored named and picks being involved is true its a haul you don't see for goalies hardly ever. If it's on the Flames end by not wanting to retain, or pushing for more it could end up being a big fumble.

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Heres what I caught:
Basically reiterating his stance on Noah wanting Tampa, how that limits the Flames, how Tampa can't necessarily do it but teams know Noah wants to sign there anyway so sending him somewhere as a rental limits them.

Brings up things being quiet on Markstrom, doesn't want to speculate on previously suggested deal/rumor, notes that a lot of people were looking for signs something was coming. Ahem. Salim (my edit). Did say that the Devils have offered Holtz up to other teams before (ie: San Jose in the Meier deal). Inference being it was possible he was in there.

I'll rewind it and update this

D market "eating out of Conroy's hands" (and yet ####s on Hanifin's potential suitors later)

Why would San Jose take Zetterlund over Holtz? I'd be surprised if he was offered to them.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Sure, do you pay Brodie 8 million for one year? 10 million? Because there is going to be about 17 million to pay 2-3 dmen next year. How much do you have to overpay Brodie in order to make moving Markstrom be a financial necessity? That was the original point. I have no problem signing Brodie to a one year deal at 4 million. Hell I do not have a problem signing him to a one year deal at 8 million outside the fact that even with 50% retention it makes him almost impossible to move. It is the owners money, they can do what they want. My only point was that the Flames do not need the cap space that a Markstrom move would provide.

I think we may be misunderstanding things.

I don't think any Markstrom deal is a cap savings move, or needed for cap space.

We need to trade him because if what the rumors are true, you don't get that for a goalie.

[SuperMatt18]

The Tampa Bay thing makes no sense, I don't believe he's getting good intel there.

[CF84]

Originally Posted by shutout

https://theathletic.com/5278873/2024...posals-offers/

The Athletic writers offer some of their trade suggestions.
There are two Flames players.

Who would people prefer for a playoff run? 2022's Ben Chariot or this years Chris Tanev? I know who I'd choose and it's going to cost a team to get him. I also know which player most fans who hate the Flames would choose.

Considering the haul we got for Lindholm and what Chariot cost just 2 seasons ago, a 1st should be the minimum received in a Tanev trade if the Flames are also retaining 50%. It's ridiculous to think otherwise, and I believe the reporters are just mouthpieces for teams that want to drive down the value of a player. "LeBrun heard." Yeah, well I hope he's okay with being wrong. I think Conroy has been very patient and has shown he won't cave to media pressure and will be rewarded a 1st and a prospect/low pick at minimum as a result. I think he will also do better if he chooses to trade a retained Markström.

It's currently a sellers market and the Flames hold the best pieces even after trading Lindholm. There's much to be excited about!

[Johnny Makarov]

The problem with the Lindholm trade is that the idiot Canuck GM massively overpaid for him. No decent GM would even come close to that package moving forward.

[Flames1217]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

The problem with the Lindholm trade is that the idiot Canuck GM massively overpaid for him. No decent GM would even come close to that package moving forward.

Go look at players traded at the deadline that are around the same calibre as Lindholm.

This wasn't some massive overpayment.... It was a very solid deal but Conroy didn't completely destroy the Nucks in the deal.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

The Tampa Bay thing makes no sense, I don't believe he's getting good intel there.

If being in Florida is his desire, the Panthers make the most sense. They have younger and better players, plus they are his buddies from his time here.

Seems like he has an axe to grind with us for some reason. Everyone has all 3 Flame players as the top of the list for trade bait, and the market to open up once we make our deals.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

The Tampa Bay thing makes no sense, I don't believe he's getting good intel there.

Why not? They will have the cap space and Hedman only has a year left on his deal.

[HighLifeMan]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

The Tampa Bay thing makes no sense, I don't believe he's getting good intel there.

1000%.

There is literally ZERO reason for Hanifin or his agent to leak a preferred destination - especially one with such limited cap room moving forward, and two top end left handed defenders on their roster already.

Frank annoys me. He speculates far more than he delivers actual information.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Flames1217

Go look at players traded at the deadline that are around the same calibre as Lindholm.

This wasn't some massive overpayment.... It was a very solid deal but Conroy didn't completely destroy the Nucks in the deal.

Considering how crappy he has been the past 1.5 seasons and has never been a playoff performer, this trade in hindsight might be worse than the Cam Neely trade for the Canucks. ridiculous I mean I don't think an All-Star nod ever became so noteworthy.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I would just retain on Markstrom. Bringing back a plugger who will hold back a younger player does us no good.

1st(for retention), Holtz or Mercer and a conditional a conditional 1st if they win the cup in any of the 2 years they have Markstrom. Lets get more complicated 1st's.

Are folks thinking we retain because NJ is capped out or because Markstrom is overpaid?

Capped out => NJ have a lot of LTIR space from Dougie's cap hit i think from looking at CF. They have room next year although i didn't dig into who needs to be re-signed.

Overpaid => $6mm for a top goalie is not overpaid i don't think. Saros is $5mm and younger, so relative to him i guess. But versus what else a team needing a solid goalie could obtain on July 1 or via trade? Markstrom's cap hit isn't far off of what he is worth and his rarity. He has 472 NHL games. Rinne finished with 683, Hallebuyck has 485, Ryan Miller had 700 games behind him when he was solid for Vancouver. Markstrom has more left in the tank.

If they want us to retain for three years, we are right to ask for a lot for that as it's a favour to them. Not us.

[teeschaber]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Why not? They will have the cap space and Hedman only has a year left on his deal.

I think because Tampa is surely going to trend down as their players age. Their window is closing and if he wants to win a cup, it's probably not his best choice.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Considering how crappy he has been the past 1.5 seasons and has never been a playoff performer, this trade in hindsight might be worse than the Cam Neely trade for the Canucks. ridiculous I mean I don't think an All-Star nod ever became so noteworthy.

It is a rental trade. The most likely scenario is that the Canucks don't end up with a cup and the Flames end up with some busts. You are making is sound like the Forsberg/Erat trade. No need to make it sound worse for the Canucks than it is. Same as the Rikster guy downplaying what the Canucks paid

[Toonage]

I'll say this. I don't dislike Seravalli but if he and say, Friedman, were doctors I'd rather get bad news from Elliotte. Frank seems to enjoy delivering bad news.