2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[PuckSlap]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

This thread is getting depressing now.

It's not depressing, it's just becoming realistic.

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[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Both of those trades look good to me, and I'd consider both solid wins. Quality in Holtz is key in the Marky deal, and a 2nd + 4th + utility player is a fine return for Tanev.

I agree, I mean the grandiose returns we’ve been speculating are nice but if they ended up being closer to reality like the ones purposed here I’d be fine with them. I think Dellandrea has some significant upside as well and could pop a bit more if he was in a bigger role.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Yes we need to spend money, we have no defenceman for next year.

We have to be looking at 1-2 year large AAV deals, and deal those guys away.

There is a very low probability that a dman that is worth 5-6 million dollars would sign with the Flames. I suppose they could massively overpay for ####s and giggles but that seems like a bad strategy.

Dmen that could possibly realistically command that or more (I will just leave out the almost zero chance most of these dmen would sign for 1-2 years)

Gostisbehere
Skjei
Hanifin
Forsling
Ekman-Larsson
Walker
Montour
Martinez
Tanev
Brodie

Every name on that list outside Skjei; Hanifin, Forsling and Montour any number above 4 would be a massive overpay. The likelihood that any of those 4 dmen would take one year at 9 million over a 7 year contract at 50 million is almost zero. Bottom line is that even if the Flames wanted to do that strategy there are almost no dmen they could do it with, let alone multiple guys willing to do it.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Matty81

Seems like fair value for Markstrom if there's no retention. We had to give up a 1st rounder to move Monahan for 1 season.... retaining on Markstrom for 3 seasons, even at a smaller amount per season, has to be worth a similar price.

I do think the Flames should move him if at all possible though. It makes no sense at all keeping a 34 year old front line starter through a rebuild

They have 25% retention in the deal.

It's also for 2 years even 25% should net a 1st easily.

[Canada 02]

How every contending team’s GM has behaved at past NHL Trade Deadlines

https://www.dailyfaceoff.com/news/ho...rade-deadlines

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

There is a very low probability that a dman that is worth 5-6 million dollars would sign with the Flames. I suppose they could massively overpay for ####s and giggles but that seems like a bad strategy.

Dmen that could possibly realistically command that or more (I will just leave out the almost zero chance most of these dmen would sign for 1-2 years)

Gostisbehere
Skjei
Hanifin
Forsling
Ekman-Larsson
Walker
Montour
Martinez
Tanev
Brodie

Every name on that list outside Skjei; Hanifin, Forsling and Montour any number above 4 would be a massive overpay. The likelihood that any of those 4 dmen would take one year at 9 million over a 7 year contract at 50 million is almost zero. Bottom line is that even if the Flames wanted to do that strategy there are almost no dmen they could do it with, let alone multiple guys willing to do it.

Instead of going the UFA route, I'm hoping the Flames will do a reverse-Monahan by taking another team's cap dump D with one year remaining on their contract. Trade them at next year's TDL.

[Matty81]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

They have 25% retention in the deal.

It's also for 2 years even 25% should net a 1st easily.

Monahan deal was 6.375 million in what the flames considered dead cap for a 1st. Keeping 25% on Markstrom would be about 3.5 mil I think, spread over 2.5 years. So maybe the thought in the proposal is that 25% is worth a 2nd because it is significantly less money - the difference from my perspective is that Monahan was playing for the team eating the money and they got some value for it, even if it was just projected to be in the role of a 3rd line center for 1.5 mil or so. The Flames would be paying Markstrom to play for Jersey getting nothing at all for that 3.5 million so I would think 25% retention is worth a 1st here too.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

How every contending team’s GM has behaved at past NHL Trade Deadlines

https://www.dailyfaceoff.com/news/ho...rade-deadlines

Do we really have to like to Serivelli’s site? Can we just copy and paste material and forget intellectual property in favour of sticking it to Useless Frank?

[Caged Great]

I would be more apt to take a bad contract back than I would retaining $ on Markstrom’s contract. A player like Ondrej Palat, who is over paid by about 1.5 mil per, would be a perfectly good contract to take back considering. He makes 6 million and has 1 additional year on his deal. Multi cup winner with Tampa.

Just like getting Kuzmenko, it would give a decent top 9 option over the medium term as this team readjusts.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Matty81

Seems like fair value for Markstrom if there's no retention. We had to give up a 1st rounder to move Monahan for 1 season.... retaining on Markstrom for 3 seasons, even at a smaller amount per season, has to be worth a similar price.

I do think the Flames should move him if at all possible though. It makes no sense at all keeping a 34 year old front line starter through a rebuild

Holtz as a centrepiece would be the best return a goalie has brought in a long time. If they can get a 1st thrown on top then even better. Although, I don't think Mercer ever was in play for Markstrom and I think a 1st back as the main piece is a fine.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

I would be more apt to take a bad contract back than I would retaining $ on Markstrom’s contract. A player like Ondrej Palat, who is over paid by about 1.5 mil per, would be a perfectly good contract to take back considering. He makes 6 million and has 1 additional year on his deal. Multi cup winner with Tampa.

Just like getting Kuzmenko, it would give a decent top 9 option over the medium term as this team readjusts.

No thanks to Palat.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I would just retain on Markstrom. Bringing back a plugger who will hold back a younger player does us no good.

1st(for retention), Holtz or Mercer and a conditional a conditional 1st if they win the cup in any of the 2 years they have Markstrom. Lets get more complicated 1st's.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by D as in David

Instead of going the UFA route, I'm hoping the Flames will do a reverse-Monahan by taking another team's cap dump D with one year remaining on their contract. Trade them at next year's TDL.

Totally agree, my only point is that the Flames do not need to trade Markstrom to create 23 million dollars in space for 2-3 players. There are not many 8-9 million players out there that need to be picked up as bad contracts. 17 million in space is more than enough to try that approach. There are maybe 5-7 players in the entire league that you could target for that who have a cap hit of over 4 million a year. Almost none of them have a cap hit over 6 million.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I would just retain on Markstrom. Bringing back a plugger who will hold back a younger player does us no good.

1st(for retention), Holtz or Mercer and a conditional a conditional 1st if they win the cup in any of the 2 years they have Markstrom. Lets get more complicated 1st's.

Just no way Markstrom will return the equivalent of three 1sts.

[dino7c]

Overpay all you want, short term

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Totally agree, my only point is that the Flames do not need to trade Markstrom to create 23 million dollars in space for 2-3 players. There are not many 8-9 million players out there that need to be picked up as bad contracts. 17 million in space is more than enough to try that approach. There are maybe 5-7 players in the entire league that you could target for that who have a cap hit of over 4 million a year. Almost none of them have a cap hit over 6 million.

We have opportunity for someone like a Brodie to come here on a 1 year deal, play well for half a season and get traded to a contender.

We still need defenceman for next season, even if we don't trade Hanifin and Tanev they would have to be signed. Kylington needs a contract, and I don't think we have anyone from the minors to graduate as a fulltime player yet.

Andersson - Weegar
Pachal - ???????

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Just no way Markstrom will return the equivalent of three 1sts.

Who knows how desperate they are for a goalie. Seems like they feel the need to add.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by bluejays

That’s exactly it I think. There’s a deal on the table and there’s a sticking point. One side will likely have to blink and it gets across the finish line. I’m thinking Conroy is the one to blink and today is the day.

I feel like Conroy has the advantage and doesn't need to even trade Markstrom this season. Off season will present more options and the need for a number 1 goalie in NJ will still be there, except there are more teams they'll need to bid against. I don't see any pressure on the Flames side at all.

[Toonage]

lol Frank pouring all the cold water on Flames trades right now on Barn Burner. Christ.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Toonage

lol Frank pouring all the cold water on Flames trades right now on Barn Burner. Christ.

What did he say?

Why do they even have him on?

Anyone notice none of the reputable reporters are actually on 50 podcasts a day to get their name out?