2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

Finishing so that the pick is 11th would suck as that pick goes to Montreal.

Finishing with 10th or higher is the goal.

But one little bit i just thought of.....can the 10th pick become an 11th if someone lower wins the lottery and leaps the Flames? We really want 9th or higher right?

Yup, it is determined post lottery. The ultimate screw job would be the Flames ending up with a top 5 pick and then Florida winning the lottery when they finish just outside of the playoffs

[Paulie Walnuts]

Wait the worst case scenario would be both Flames and Panthers finishing in top 10, so they get the best of that pick?

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Toonage

The problem with wanting to keep Markstrom now is that the seal has been broken. He (Markstrom) knows he's been shopped and isn't in the long term plans.

It's pretty obvious Marky is not in the long term plans, as he'll be too old by the time the Flames will contend again.

That seal was broken long ago.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Wait the worst case scenario would be both Flames and Panthers finishing in top 10, so they get the best of that pick?

Panthers are kicking ass. We can reasonably remove that outcome from the analysis.

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Yup, it is determined post lottery. The ultimate screw job would be the Flames ending up with a top 5 pick and then Florida winning the lottery when they finish just outside of the playoffs

You can only move up 10 spots now, so that helps the scenario become extremely unlikely.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Wait the worst case scenario would be both Flames and Panthers finishing in top 10, so they get the best of that pick?

Yeah, worse case is Montreal getting the 2nd overall. If it is 1st overall then the Flames pick transfers to 2026. If Florida's pick is top ten next year it doesn't transfer

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Sidney Crosby's Hat

You can only move up five spots now, so that scenario is pretty unlikely unless the Panthers are 10th or worse also.

Oh I didn't realize it was a max of five spots now. So 15th overall to 10th overall on 1% chance. If it happens to any team it would be the Flames lol

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Oh I didn't realize it was a max of five spots now. So 15th overall to 10th overall on 1% chance. If it happens to any team it would be the Flames lol

10 spots actually! Made a quick edit. So a little more likely but still unlikely.

[SuperMatt18]

I never liked the Monahan trade but could at least get Treliving was under pressure to move him...

But I'll never understand the complex conditions that he let Montreal dictate...should have just sent them the Florida pick regardless of when they received it and been done with it.

Also this is a bit of an unsubstantiated rumour but I did hear that the Flames did have a suitor for Lucic with a 1st attached (think it might have been Anaheim) but Sutter preferred to keep Lucic over Monahan and others didn't love moving Lucic + 1st to a division rival...so went the Monahan to Montreal route instead.

[Paulie Walnuts]

This thread is getting depressing now.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Yup, it is determined post lottery. The ultimate screw job would be the Flames ending up with a top 5 pick and then Florida winning the lottery when they finish just outside of the playoffs

It would probably depend on the conditions on the Florida pick, I would have to check, but if it is a lottery pick then I think it gets pushed to 2026 and then it gets more complicated and less in favour for the Flames.

[Buzzard]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I never liked the Monahan trade but could at least get Treliving was under pressure to move him...

But I'll never understand the complex conditions that he let Montreal dictate...should have just sent them the Florida pick regardless of when they received it and been done with it.

Also this is a bit of an unsubstantiated rumour but I did hear that the Flames did have a suitor for Lucic with a 1st attached (think it might have been Anaheim) but Sutter preferred to keep Lucic over Monahan and others didn't love moving Lucic + 1st to a division rival...so went the Monahan to Montreal route instead.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by Sidney Crosby's Hat

10 spots actually! Made a quick edit. So a little more likely but still unlikely.

I think we should suck a little more just to make sure this doesn't happen.

EDIT: sounds weird.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I never liked the Monahan trade but could at least get Treliving was under pressure to move him...

But I'll never understand the complex conditions that he let Montreal dictate...should have just sent them the Florida pick regardless of when they received it and been done with it.

Also this is a bit of an unsubstantiated rumour but I did hear that the Flames did have a suitor for Lucic with a 1st attached (think it might have been Anaheim) but Sutter preferred to keep Lucic over Monahan and others didn't love moving Lucic + 1st to a division rival...so went the Monahan to Montreal route instead.

There was some smoke Lucic was headed back to Boston but then it fell apart over cap space. I don't really buy the Sutter making roster decisions thing. Sounds like excuse making for Tre

I feel like those conditions were more Tre dictating them anything. If Montreal was dictating them the Florida 1st probably would not have been in play at all. It was set up in a way that if the Flames fell flat then there was protection.

Too bad the walkway point wasn't over including Florida's pick lol.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I think it's good to temper our expectations on a potential markstrom return.

IMO that trade is still a no brainer. We get to escape the remainder of markstrom's contract and Holtz is still a top prospect. I do hope we can squeeze more but that is a totally acceptable return. Hell, at the end of last season that return would seem totally unattainable even.

The Flames currently need to spend 23 million bucks to be a cap team next year and currently have 16 players signed for next season. Current roster players that need to be signed are Kylington, maybe Greer and Pelletier. Likely players moving up are Coronato, and at least one of the young dmen. So that takes care of 4-5 of those guys for about 5-6 million bucks. Do we actually think they will spend 17 million dollars on the other 2-3 players they need to sign? Getting out from under the Markstrom contract is irrelevant unless the owners are running out of money.

The only thing that matters with Markstrom is getting the return Conroy wants.

[shutout]

https://theathletic.com/5278873/2024...posals-offers/

The Athletic writers offer some of their trade suggestions.
There are two Flames players.

Dallas Stars
The perfect fit: Chris Tanev

The trade: Tanev (50 percent retained) for a 2024 second-round pick, Ty Dellandrea, 2026 fourth-round pick

Pierre LeBrun reported that the general price tag for Tanev right now is a second-round pick plus another asset

Dellandrea has high pedigree and potential upside as the No. 13 pick from 2018. He’s a fast, disruptive bottom-six player who can play both center and wing and scored 28 points last year. Dellandrea and an additional fourth-round pick are reasonable add-ons to the second-round pick.

New Jersey Devils
The perfect fit: Jacob Markström

The trade: Markström (25 percent retained) for Alexander Holtz, 2025 second-round pick

this price, which features Holtz and a second-rounder would be significant. But with the right amount of retention (we settled on 25 percent, taking Markström’s cap hit down to $4.5 million) that price is worth paying

Holtz has emerged as a middle-six scorer, and was a top-10 pick in 2020 — he’d be akin to a first-rounder in this proposal.

[ComixZone]

Both of those trades look good to me, and I'd consider both solid wins. Quality in Holtz is key in the Marky deal, and a 2nd + 4th + utility player is a fine return for Tanev.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

The Flames currently need to spend 23 million bucks to be a cap team next year and currently have 16 players signed for next season. Current roster players that need to be signed are Kylington, maybe Greer and Pelletier. Likely players moving up are Coronato, and at least one of the young dmen. So that takes care of 4-5 of those guys for about 5-6 million bucks. Do we actually think they will spend 17 million dollars on the other 2-3 players they need to sign? Getting out from under the Markstrom contract is irrelevant unless the owners are running out of money.

The only thing that matters with Markstrom is getting the return Conroy wants.

Yes we need to spend money, we have no defenceman for next year.

We have to be looking at 1-2 year large AAV deals, and deal those guys away.

[Badgers Nose]

Nah, none of those trades are good.

Tanev will elicit a bidding war. He’ll fetch a first.

Marky has value as a mentor and helping us reach the cap floor. NJD, CAR and LAK need him and will have to pay to get him.

[Matty81]

Seems like fair value for Markstrom if there's no retention. We had to give up a 1st rounder to move Monahan for 1 season.... retaining on Markstrom for 3 seasons, even at a smaller amount per season, has to be worth a similar price.

I do think the Flames should move him if at all possible though. It makes no sense at all keeping a 34 year old front line starter through a rebuild