2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

From LeBrun’s article on the Hurricanes in the Athletic today:

How do you know when a GM in lying? When their lips are moving.

Waddell won’t telegraph what he’s up to to Lebrun. He’d be stupid to do so. What’s said publicly vs privately are usually different. If dis says they are interested, that’s good enough for me.

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Colorado should be all over Markstrom, I think even they know they're not going anywhere with Georgiev in net

Arizona gave the Avs all they could handle last night. If not for Nathan MacKinnon….

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Out of our players rumoured on the market here is who i have heard has interest.
I have listed them as serious interest as there is a lot of smoke there, and have inquired which means I have heard those teams have touched base but I don't know how serious they are.

Markstrom:

Serious interest: New Jersey, Los Angeles, Carolina

Have inquired: Colorado, Toronto

Vladar:

Have inquired: Flyers

Hanifin:

Serious Interest: Arizona, Boston, Tampa Bay

Have Inquired: Buffalo, Dallas, Detroit, Florida, New Jersey, NYR, Toronto, Vancouver, Vegas

Tanev:

Serious Interest: Dallas, Ottawa (wtf), Toronto, Vancouver, Vegas

Have Inquired: Colorado, Edmonton (haha!), Florida, LA, New Jersey, NYR, Pitts.


Make of it what you will.

I love reading your takes, dissentowner!

[Nelson]

https://www.sportsnet.ca/podcasts/32-thoughts/

Elliotte Friedman talks about Hanifin and Tanev on 32 Thoughts this morning.

On Tanev, he says there are a lot of teams interested. The Flames would trade Tanev if they were offered a 1st. Mentions some specific teams. He mentioned Toronto has offered a bunch of picks, none of them a 1st, and the Leafs don’t have a 2nd until 2027 (barf). He also discussed the Canucks, that they like the idea and don’t want the Oilers to get Tanev. Friedman them focused on the Oilers…

On Hanifin, he says the list of teams around Hanifin is growing because teams see where this is headed. Marek talked about Dallas and NJ. Friedman focused on two teams: Boston and Florida. He says these two teams are ahead of Tampa Bay and Toronto in what they can, or they might be willing to offer, not because of picks, but because of young players. He specially mentioned that Anton Lundell’s been thrown into things at times this year.

He didn’t have a lot to say about Markstrom. But he said Markstrom’s frustrated.

[ComixZone]

If Marky is frustrated, then the time is now to act decisively.

Flames can’t let things linger with their players or their team. Conroy has been exceedingly patient, but if it’s gotten to the point where respected players are beginning to become frustrated then his patience should be at an end. The organization needs to continue to build a reputation of being a players-first organization.

…Tanev becoming an Oiler would be a heck of a weird pill to swallow. Flames would need to make sure they hit a home-run with their pick.

[Nelson]

Hanifin for Lundell + 2026 1st (that would turn into a 2027 1st if CGY already has the 2026 1st) + 2024 3rd + Mahura?

[keenan87]

I would love to bring in Lundell. Potential breakout player.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

If Marky is frustrated, then the time is now to act decisively.

Flames can’t let things linger with their players or their team. Conroy has been exceedingly patient, but if it’s gotten to the point where respected players are beginning to become frustrated then his patience should be at an end. The organization needs to continue to build a reputation of being a players-first organization.

…Tanev becoming an Oiler would be a heck of a weird pill to swallow. Flames would need to make sure they hit a home-run with their pick.

If I were Conroy, I would be interested in Broberg or Halloway over a first from the Oilers. Words out that this years draft drops off after the first 20. I’m sure some will say the Flames should get both but that seems like a reach especially if the Flames, apparently, haven’t been offered a first yet.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

If Marky is frustrated, then the time is now to act decisively.

Flames can’t let things linger with their players or their team. Conroy has been exceedingly patient, but if it’s gotten to the point where respected players are beginning to become frustrated then his patience should be at an end. The organization needs to continue to build a reputation of being a players-first organization.

…Tanev becoming an Oiler would be a heck of a weird pill to swallow. Flames would need to make sure they hit a home-run with their pick.

How many trades traditionally happen 3 weeks or more before the deadline. My recollection is one or two a year. He already has pulled one off (half of what I would call the substantial trades that have happened this year). Not sure Conroy needs to work on a timeline that is expedited, especially if it is adverse to the eventual return. I hope he gets them done sooner but would prefer a better return vis-a-vis any bad blood with players who get grumpy.

[ComixZone]

Other notes:

Friedman didn’t want to talk about the Flames, because he’s been on it so long - but when he checked around the league, he had to because “everyone is waiting on the Flames”

[MrMike]

Tanev will bring back to seconds of a conditional first
Markstrom will bring back mediocre depending on salary retained
Hanifin will bring back a decent B+ 22-25 year old, second round pick, and then the camp dump/retaining will bring back the rest of the value if needed.

[Royle9]

40th Bday, hoping Craig gifts me a trade today!

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Nelson

Hanifin for Lundell + 2026 1st (that would turn into a 2027 1st if CGY already has the 2026 1st) + 2024 3rd + Mahura?

Forgetting that the salaries don't work and they don't have the space to extend Hanifin, that's simply too much for a pending UFA. Lundell alone has a ton of value, being on an ELC and team having control over him for years even though his offensive game seems to have stagnated at least temporarily.

TBH I'm not sure why Florida would target Hanifin, unless talks with Montour have gone bad.

[BigBCalgary]

IMO if anyone is waiting for Calgary to retain salary on any of these contracts it could take forever to get anything done as it ain't happening. All of the talked about players are on good value deals and are worth their current cap hits at todays rates. Expiring deals or not.
I believes things will start moving when the other teams come to terms with this.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by BigBCalgary

IMO if anyone is waiting for Calgary to retain salary on any of these contracts it could take forever to get anything done as it ain't happening. All of the talked about players are on good value deals and are worth their current cap hits at todays rates. Expiring deals or not.
I believes things will start moving when the other teams come to terms with this.

The Flames were a contending team for the past 7-8 years. Like every single contending team in NHL history they did not retain on any salary. I cannot think of a contending team that has. Like every contending team they did buyout contracts and pay guys not to play for them. For contending teams that is the equivalent of retaining salary and the Flames did it 6 times over the past 9 years (one of the higher numbers in the NHL). I suspect that as the Flames transition to a rebuild that organizational enthusiasm to do the equivalent of retention during contending years will be transferred to doing it on retention in a rebuilding team.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

If Marky is frustrated, then the time is now to act decisively.

Flames can’t let things linger with their players or their team. Conroy has been exceedingly patient, but if it’s gotten to the point where respected players are beginning to become frustrated then his patience should be at an end. The organization needs to continue to build a reputation of being a players-first organization.

…Tanev becoming an Oiler would be a heck of a weird pill to swallow. Flames would need to make sure they hit a home-run with their pick.

I don't think that being a player-first helps the Flames in any way. A team like EDM doesn't have a great reputation, but players want to come there because they're winning. In Vegas everyone is replaceable, players still want to come there. In Toronto Roboda's island is looming if you don't perform, but players still want to be there.

At some point this organization needs to start doing what's best for it, instead of trying to make everyone happy. Everytime the players don't feel like busting their behind for a new coach they get their way. They get incentive to ask for trades publicly because the team tries to appease them at every opportunity. Then having to add a CGY tax whenever a player finally deems them worhty.

Markstrom is a professional and he's under contract. Any player that wants out should simply play lights out, and the rest will take care of itself.

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by Royle9

40th Bday, hoping Craig gifts me a trade today!

Happy birthday, hopefully we get some good news for you today!

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by Saqe

Forgetting that the salaries don't work and they don't have the space to extend Hanifin, that's simply too much for a pending UFA. Lundell alone has a ton of value, being on an ELC and team having control over him for years even though his offensive game seems to have stagnated at least temporarily.

TBH I'm not sure why Florida would target Hanifin, unless talks with Montour have gone bad.

FLA has deadline cap space of $5.7 million. The salaries do work.

Maybe we’re getting back too much? Lundell has stagnated though. We’re buying low.

[Bongsong]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Tanev will bring back to seconds of a conditional first
Markstrom will bring back mediocre depending on salary retained
Hanifin will bring back a decent B+ 22-25 year old, second round pick, and then the camp dump/retaining will bring back the rest of the value if needed.

Haha good thing your not the gm

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Nelson

FLA has deadline cap space of $5.7 million. The salaries do work.

Maybe we’re getting back too much? Lundell has stagnated though. We’re buying low.

Oops you're right the salaries would work this year. Still the other points stand, it doesn't seem like a move that makes a lot of sense from Florida's POV.