2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Out of our players rumoured on the market here is who i have heard has interest.
I have listed them as serious interest as there is a lot of smoke there, and have inquired which means I have heard those teams have touched base but I don't know how serious they are.

Markstrom:

Serious interest: New Jersey, Los Angeles, Carolina

Have inquired: Colorado, Toronto

Vladar:

Have inquired: Flyers

Hanifin:

Serious Interest: Arizona, Boston, Tampa Bay

Have Inquired: Buffalo, Dallas, Detroit, Florida, New Jersey, NYR, Toronto, Vancouver, Vegas

Tanev:

Serious Interest: Dallas, Ottawa (wtf), Toronto, Vancouver, Vegas

Have Inquired: Colorado, Edmonton (haha!), Florida, LA, New Jersey, NYR, Pitts.


Make of it what you will.

Ottawa never ever gets the top free agent signings. Them targeting Tanev makes total sense to me. They need a quality veteran dman to teach their young studs on the backend the ropes. I could see them trading for Tanev and then trading one of Chabot or Chychrun for help in other areas they feel they need help in. They have almost nothing on the right side so it is a positional weakness as well.

Living out here, that is all they talk about on sports radio, that they have the pieces but something is not connecting. I think the conclusion is the backend and the imbalance. If they could do a sign and trade I don’t think they would have a problem giving up a Ridley Greig. Given how well Pinto has played since he has returned I doubt he is on the table. Not sure if they would want to do Greig straight up but right now he is slotted in to be a 3rd line center for a long time in Ottawa and is one of their trade pieces that could get them a decent dman.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

The Ottawa one on Tanev strikes as the most Canadian-market thing a Canadian-market team could do.

They’ve built this young core, and instead of making bold smart moves (like Chicago backing up the truck for Hossa, or LA spending a fortune of futures for Richards/Carter), they’ll instead over-prioritize “intangibles”. I’m not taking a shot at Tanev, but at 34 he is the wrong player to bring in at this stage via trade.

It’s such a bad idea that I actually think they will do it.m

(and as always, thanks diss!)

Ottawa already tried to do the Richards and Carter moves by trading futures for Debrincat and Chychrun.


I mean Ottawa is a cautionary tale for those that want the tankbuild. I think Ottawa has a bunch of high end young guys but are still a trash team. Embracing losing makes flipping the switch to winning difficult.

[Snuffleupagus]

Colorado should be all over Markstrom, I think even they know they're not going anywhere with Georgiev in net

[Heavy Jack]

I think there’s been a ton of turmoil with Ottawa too along with some inept management, Dorin really did a number on that franchise and not in a good way. Conroy I’m confident will be the right captain for the ship, some key moves this season and next around the UFAs could really hasten things the right way for Calgary, the important will be ensuring we hit on the extra draft capital and prospects while having the patience not to spend them on speeding things up when things look like they are trending in the right direction. Flames need to commit to bottoming out next year and to me it looks to be the path they’re taking, can’t wait to see how Conroy executes this.

[sa226]

I hope there is overpayment for guys like Markstrom and Tanev, because I can't help but feel like the return for Hanafin is going to be less than his value.

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[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Ottawa already tried to do the Richards and Carter moves by trading futures for Debrincat and Chychrun.


I mean Ottawa is a cautionary tale for those that want the tankbuild. I think Ottawa has a bunch of high end young guys but are still a trash team. Embracing losing makes flipping the switch to winning difficult.

I don’t buy this theory.

The Senators are a bad organization under poor management and poor coaching. The instability at an organizational level leads to poor results. Same issue with Buffalo and Edmonton sidelined those “rebuilds”.

Tanking/drafting at the top is inherently easy. Good management and staff is hard to obtain/develop and if you don’t have it you won’t build a good team regardless of where you draft.

Ottawa is only making things worse too - Smith was a bad coach, but naming Martin as interim head coach? Yikes.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I don’t buy this theory.

The Senators are a bad organization under poor management and poor coaching. The instability at an organizational level leads to poor results. Same issue with Buffalo and Edmonton sidelined those “rebuilds”.

Tanking/drafting at the top is inherently easy. Good management and staff is hard to obtain/develop and if you don’t have it you won’t build a good team regardless of where you draft.

Ottawa is only making things worse too - Smith was a bad coach, but naming Martin as interim head coach? Yikes.

Is there anyone other than the Rangers who have done a quick rebuild? Dallas missed the playoffs for 7 out of 9 years before they hit on Heiskanen, Robertson and Oettinger. They went through a lot of bad 1st round picks before that magical draft. Not sure anyone other than the Rangers has done it quickly but unfortunately I don’t know if a Panarin/Fox combo will knock on the Flames door to expedite the rebuild.

[Braden]

I can't help but think that Buffalo would be the perfect landing spot for Andersson, feel we could get there first plus prospects/picks. Fans on HF seem to be willing to sell the farm for him.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Is there anyone other than the Rangers who have done a quick rebuild? Dallas missed the playoffs for 7 out of 9 years before they hit on Heiskanen, Robertson and Oettinger. They went through a lot of bad 1st round picks before that magical draft. Not sure anyone other than the Rangers has done it quickly but unfortunately I don’t know if a Panarin/Fox combo will knock on the Flames door to expedite the rebuild.

Toronto hit it too - largely thanks to luck in the draft lottery the first time they took a shot.

I think we can also just look at the Rangers and Maple Leafs as organizations that are sparing no expense at an organizational level.

Treliving improved it for the Flames while he was here (and under Burke). We saw this when we started finding players throughout the draft. Hopefully Conroy and crew keeps developing the organizational depth on the management side.

[Heavy Jack]

Rasmus Dahlin and Rasmus Andersson as a top tandem would be pretty lethal.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Toronto hit it too - largely thanks to luck in the draft lottery the first time they took a shot.

I think we can also just look at the Rangers and Maple Leafs as organizations that are sparing no expense at an organizational level.

Treliving improved it for the Flames while he was here (and under Burke). We saw this when we started finding players throughout the draft. Hopefully Conroy and crew keeps developing the organizational depth on the management side.

Even the Leafs missed the playoffs for 9 out of 10 years before the rebuild ended. Their rebuild was messed up because Burke kept trading first round picks but nonetheless it took awhile. Even if you count 2012 (year they drafted Rielly) as the start it took 5 years to really take hold and it took hitting on every high pick (Rielly, Nylander, Marner, Matthews) to get them there.

I think rebuild is the right move, I just do not hold out any hope it is a quick process. If the Flames make the playoffs more than once again in this decade I will be surprised.

[Poe969]

Vancouver's first + Tanev for Ottawa's first

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by Braden

I can't help but think that Buffalo would be the perfect landing spot for Andersson, feel we could get there first plus prospects/picks. Fans on HF seem to be willing to sell the farm for him.

That is exactly the team we should be selling too. Highly talented assets that they will likely move anyhow since they are flush on forward.

Ostlund, Kulich, Savoie…….plus great draft capital

Kulich + Strbak + 2024 1st

[Heavy Jack]

If we could figure out a way to trade for Chychurn without adding too much to Tanev it would basically give Calgary Hanifin all over again for next year. Not the worst concept when you consider Calgary should bottom out next year and will have the likes of Mangiapane, Sharangovich, Kuzmenko, Vladar and Duehr all in contract/UFA years as potential trade bait.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I don’t buy this theory.

The Senators are a bad organization under poor management and poor coaching. The instability at an organizational level leads to poor results. Same issue with Buffalo and Edmonton sidelined those “rebuilds”.

Tanking/drafting at the top is inherently easy. Good management and staff is hard to obtain/develop and if you don’t have it you won’t build a good team regardless of where you draft.

Ottawa is only making things worse too - Smith was a bad coach, but naming Martin as interim head coach? Yikes.

What you are saying about Ottawa can be said about the Flames. Those teams made coaching and management changes because they couldn’t shake the loser culture those teams embraced. There is not a team that embraced the tank that has turned it around quickly. If a tankbuild works it will take more than a decade and a lot of luck is required.

Toronto has one playoff round win in 20 years and you use them as an example of how a quick tankbuild can work? Calgary is a dangerous market to attempt this in because it ranks low in terms of desirability for players. I think Conroy is doing it right by refusing the tank so let’s hope he avoids the same short cuts Treliving took by trading a bunch of draft picks for veterans and he is able to make some smart choices with the additional capital he is going to continue to pick up.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

If we could figure out a way to trade for Chychurn without adding too much to Tanev it would basically give Calgary Hanifin all over again for next year. Not the worst concept when you consider Calgary should bottom out next year and will have the likes of Mangiapane, Sharangovich, Kuzmenko, Vladar and Duehr all in contract/UFA years as potential trade bait.

Chychrun would also be on that list of UFA’s next year as trade bait.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

I think there’s been a ton of turmoil with Ottawa too along with some inept management, Dorin really did a number on that franchise and not in a good way. Conroy I’m confident will be the right captain for the ship, some key moves this season and next around the UFAs could really hasten things the right way for Calgary, the important will be ensuring we hit on the extra draft capital and prospects while having the patience not to spend them on speeding things up when things look like they are trending in the right direction. Flames need to commit to bottoming out next year and to me it looks to be the path they’re taking, can’t wait to see how Conroy executes this.

What did Dorion do that was so bad? Honestly aside from the Zibanejad deal most of the other deals have been decent. He stuck to the plan and drafted well. I didn't like some of his moves, like any GM, but he wasn't terrible in my estimation at least. He was actually among the upper third I'd say just based on his track record for not totally screwing his team over in the future.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Is there anyone other than the Rangers who have done a quick rebuild? Dallas missed the playoffs for 7 out of 9 years before they hit on Heiskanen, Robertson and Oettinger. They went through a lot of bad 1st round picks before that magical draft. Not sure anyone other than the Rangers has done it quickly but unfortunately I don’t know if a Panarin/Fox combo will knock on the Flames door to expedite the rebuild.

The reason rebuilds take a long time is because teams wait until the very end to start them. If more teams were proactive about them rather than reactive I'm sure they would be much quicker. Even in a best case scenario I would expect one take at least 5 years.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Hackey

The reason rebuilds take a long time is because teams wait until the very end to start them. If more teams were proactive about them rather than reactive I'm sure they would be much quicker. Even in a best case scenario I would expect one take at least 5 years.

And the reason why teams wait to start them is because they can take so long.
I don't disagree with your broader point, but when GMs/Owners look around the league at extended re-builds, it certainly would reinforce a desire to squeeze every year you can from a core before you pull the plug on it.

I like how teams like the Canes manage for the short-term and long-term, but that's also yet to prove out to result in championships.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by dammage79

If Hanifin would sign in ARZ, the Flames could do extremely well there. Up to Hanifin though. And ARZ is such a mess. Too bad really.

Comes down to how Hanifin feels about SLC or Houston.