Hart, McLeod, Dube, Foote, Formenton found not guilty of sexual assault

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

My question to all the people who feel the Flames could not terminate Dube's contract unless he is convicted:

If the sole arbiter of enacting the morality clauses in the SPC is conviction for a crime, if Dube is acquitted would you then support the Flames re-signing him? Assuming this occurs well after his current contract ends.

If we are making the results of the criminal case the most important factor in determining whether he should have a contract or not then it follows some people will welcome him back with open arms should be be acquitted.

I'm curious where people stand on this.

Impossible to answer as it would hinge a ton on WHY he was acquitted.
What was proven and disproven.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

My question to all the people who feel the Flames could not terminate Dube's contract unless he is convicted:

If the sole arbiter of enacting the morality clauses in the SPC is conviction for a crime, if Dube is acquitted would you then support the Flames re-signing him? Assuming this occurs well after his current contract ends.

If we are making the results of the criminal case the most important factor in determining whether he should have a contract or not then it follows some people will welcome him back with open arms should be be acquitted.

I'm curious where people stand on this.

Then you take into account he has been a terrible player this year. Performed well below his salary. They ain’t going to qualify him regardless. He can come back on PTO if he is clearly innocent

[iggyloob12]

Based on Bettman's comments, it sounds like it's more trouble than it's worth to terminate their contracts vs. letting them come off the books at the end of the year. Seems inequitable compared to what happened to Mike Richards, but that's the NHL.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Not to make excuses for police but this is possible, maybe?
If a victim is no longer cooperating with the investigation it's probably not going anywhere. As time passes the NDA becomes the trash it is, because there is no justice in a box of cash, so the victim ignores the NDA they were forced to sign and cooperates.

I think this part here says it pretty clearly:

Originally Posted by MBates

...

Det/Sgt. Katherine Dann
-In July of 2022, she was assigned to do an investigative review. She was not part of the original investigative team.
-There were additional steps that could be taken. So reopened and a team of investigators assigned.
-Victim has fully cooperated since day 1.
-"Explored additional investigative opportunities"
-Evidence that was not available before...this is one investigation, not two...continuation of original investigation.
-Encouraging anyone with more information to come forward to LPS (mentions potential witnesses from Jacks bar).

-Reads a statement from the lawyer for EM
Mentions courage it takes, asks for privacy to be respected.

She's pretty obviously saying the original investigation wasn't done properly, without actually saying it. All she needed to do was look at the files to find things that hadn't been done in the original investigation, things that were enough to get the case reopened.

(It's also pretty weird how they keep saying "this is one investigation", as if that makes it true.)

[chedder]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Then you take into account he has been a terrible player this year. Performed well below his salary. They ain’t going to qualify him regardless. He can come back on PTO if he is clearly innocent

I would guess regardless of the trial outcome, Dube's NHL career is over. He won't be playing anything but shinny for the next 2 years until the trial even starts. He'll be 28 and two years removed from competitive hockey.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Buff

I'm unclear on this. Did the settlement happen in 2022 or was it unearthed in 2022?

The claim was filed in April 2022 and the settlement happened in May 2022.

https://www.timescolonist.com/indige...t%20of%20court.

[Sutter_in_law]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

My question to all the people who feel the Flames could not terminate Dube's contract unless he is convicted:

If the sole arbiter of enacting the morality clauses in the SPC is conviction for a crime, if Dube is acquitted would you then support the Flames re-signing him? Assuming this occurs well after his current contract ends.

If we are making the results of the criminal case the most important factor in determining whether he should have a contract or not then it follows some people will welcome him back with open arms should be be acquitted.

I'm curious where people stand on this.

No idea.

Was he acquitted because E.M admitted to making it all up and it was consensual? Then sure, if I thought he could contribute to the team.

Was he acquitted because of an error in procedure by the prosecution, but all signs pointed to a gang-rape? Nope, wouldn't go near him

Not everything in this world is black and white, and I don't think this case will be either (obvious statement)

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

The claim was filed in April 2022 and the settlement happened in May 2022.

https://www.timescolonist.com/indige...t%20of%20court.

That must be a records speed in settlement. Someone wanted to get that buried quickly.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

That must be a records speed in settlement. Someone wanted to get that buried quickly.

Holy crap...no kidding.

[blankall]

Nm.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

That must be a records speed in settlement. Someone wanted to get that buried quickly.

It would defeat its purpose to bury it slowly. Not defending it, but of course their intention was to bury it.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

That must be a records speed in settlement. Someone wanted to get that buried quickly.

Originally Posted by Locke

Holy crap...no kidding.

I agree. Although there's a possibility there were demands and negotiations before the formal court filing (which looks like it was filed right at the end of the limitations period). Quite often I will make a demand and even send an unfiled statement of claim to try and resolve a claim, but if there's no resolution in time, I have to file. Although if they were negotiating they'd probably enter into a tolling agreement to extend the limitation period.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

That must be a records speed in settlement. Someone wanted to get that buried quickly.

To be fair, they'd known it was likely coming for three years...so they were prepared to bury it as soon as it was filed.

[Aarongavey]

https://x.com/rwesthead/status/17588...nHR1OORjl0-YKA

Paintings of former Kelowna Rockets players Cal Foote and Dillon Dubé remain in WHL team's wall of fame, after they were charged with sexual assault by police in London, Ont.
The players were added to the team's wall of recognition during the summer of 2018.
Rockets president and GM Bruce Hamilton wouldn't discuss the now controversial artwork.
“I’m not getting caught up in this,” Hamilton told Globe and Mail reporter Patrick White.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

https://x.com/rwesthead/status/17588...nHR1OORjl0-YKA

Bad form and tone deaf. Cover it up until there’s clarity on a verdict.

[jaydub74]

Seems like a poor PR strategy, not sure why they’d open themselves up to criticism. Better to just quietly take them down and wait for court proceedings to play out.


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[Patek23]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Bad form and tone deaf. Cover it up until there’s clarity on a verdict.

Whats wrong with waiting for the verdict and how things play out? Its been up since 2018. Tone deaf would be putting it up now.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Patek23

Whats wrong with waiting for the verdict and how things play out? Its been up since 2018. Tone deaf would be putting it up now.

The gravity of the accusations behooves the rockets to at minimum cover the pictures up until there is clarity on the verdict. This is not about being woke, it’s about doing the right thing. If they are found innocent, then they remain on the wall of honour. Given the black eye that hockey has been given by a few bad actors (ie Kyle beach case) and the drive to have the game inclusive for everyone, the smart play would be to cover this display up until the outcome of the trial is known.

[Patek23]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

The gravity of the accusations behooves the rockets to at minimum cover the pictures up until there is clarity on the verdict. This is not about being woke, it’s about doing the right thing. If they are found innocent, then they remain on the wall of honour. Given the black eye that hockey has been given by a few bad actors (ie Kyle beach case) and the drive to have the game inclusive for everyone, the smart play would be to cover this display up until the outcome of the trial is known.

What does temporarily covering it up do aside from pander to a small minority who demand these kinds of things.

The choice of reason is leave it up. Despite the accusations Canada is still innocent until proven guilty. If theyre found guilty then permanently remove it properly. I have zero issue with that.

[bc-chris]

Seems like a poor PR strategy, not sure why they’d open themselves up to criticism. Better to just quietly take them down and wait for court proceedings to play out.

they can't "take them down" - they are life sized portraits/murals of past rocket players that are painted on the walls of the concourse

https://chl.ca/whl-rockets/kelowna-r...g-achievement/

would covering them up draw even more attention than just leaving it be until the trial is over? i don't know