American Politics 3.0 - Back to Brunch

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Meh, in the world of the extreme right, Ann Coulter seems like a moderate these days. I don't like her politics in any ####ing way, but she's pretty observant and can be astute at times.

Then she writes a book built on false narratives just to make money, so yeah, #### that.

[puffnstuff]

People still watch bill maher?

[timun]

"People".

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by puffnstuff

People still watch bill maher?

Aging boomers/Gen Xers who think they're enlightened moderates because they're pro-choice but also think trans people are gross.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Meh, in the world of the extreme right, Ann Coulter seems like a moderate these days. I don't like her politics in any ####ing way, but she's pretty observant and can be astute at times.

Then she writes a book built on false narratives just to make money, so yeah, #### that.

LOL, okay, #### what I said. She's gone full dog whistle racist on this last show. Reminds me of conversations with my Aunt-In-Law from Indiana. Brutal.

[wireframe]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Aging boomers/Gen Xers who think they're enlightened moderates because they're pro-choice but also think trans people are gross.

They prefer "fiscal conservatives"

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by wireframe

They prefer "fiscal conservatives"

"Classical liberals."

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

- economy, no housing reform
- did not codify Roe v Wade
- no student loan relief or wider access to college
- no immigration reform
- no gun reform
- no climate bill

and most recently
- supporting Israel

Where is this magical world where the US president gets to pass anything he wants without congressional approval? Oh right, it's the one Trump is trying to create. I guess you'll be super duper happy when it happens, after the evil "Genocide Joe" is vote out. Progressives should dance in the street when that happens. The world will be full of justice, peace, happiness, and good vibes once senile Joe is no longer in office. That orange guy will definitley give you the things you're looking for.

I don’t know why being critical of Biden is so taboo around here. I was that person too, once, and honestly afterward you just end up feeling like an idiot for defending someone who sucks because they suck less than the other one.

Plus, it’s not like 99% of you can vote in the election. So, who cares? Who is actually at risk of voting for Trump if people are mean to Biden in this thread?

It's perfectly fine to be criticizing Joe. All I ask is that claims be backed up with evidence, and be given with full context (ie: don't pretend that witholding votes from Biden will somehow help the people of Gaza, when you know full well that it won't.)

[Sluggo]

Just did a back of a napkin calculation that Trump is on the hook for near $100 a minute in interest for delaying his New York appeals now.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Sluggo

Just did a back of a napkin calculation that Trump is on the hook for near $100 a minute in interest for delaying his New York appeals now.

$1 Million per week.

[Sluggo]

Originally Posted by troutman

$1 Million per week.

I heard from a media source it was 10 million a week... Don't feel like digging into it tonight

[Barnet Flame]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I don’t know why being critical of Biden is so taboo around here. I was that person too, once, and honestly afterward you just end up feeling like an idiot for defending someone who sucks because they suck less than the other one.

Plus, it’s not like 99% of you can vote in the election. So, who cares? Who is actually at risk of voting for Trump if people are mean to Biden in this thread?

Cali Panthers Fan.

And we saw what happened in Florida in 2000.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

^LOL, there is a 0.0% chance I would ever vote for Trump. Unless you're referring to me as someone who cares and can vote, then check and check.

[Azure]

Oh now we can't say bad stuff about Biden because people will vote for Trump if we do?

lol.

Man I miss 2008 CP political threads.

[Whynotnow]

Originally Posted by Azure

Oh now we can't say bad stuff about Biden because people will vote for Trump if we do?

lol.

Man I miss 2008 CP political threads.

Criticize him where fair and back it up with facts. Complaining there should be a different nominee doesn’t really accomplish much. It’s Biden vs Trump, the first one represents at worst status quo but the second one is dangerous. Choice between the two doesn’t seem hard to figure out and it needs to be framed that way.

[Inglewood Jack]

Pointing and lol’ing at the sad state of US politics would be so much easier if only we didn’t share 8,891 km of border, economic, and social influence. The fact that we have local leaders that idolize the worst of them…just sucks all the fun right out of it.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

Where is this magical world where the US president gets to pass anything he wants without congressional approval? Oh right, it's the one Trump is trying to create. I guess you'll be super duper happy when it happens, after the evil "Genocide Joe" is vote out. Progressives should dance in the street when that happens. The world will be full of justice, peace, happiness, and good vibes once senile Joe is no longer in office. That orange guy will definitley give you the things you're looking for.

Sure he can. for example, student loans.

The Biden administration announced it would automatically forgive $39 billion in student debt for 804,000 borrowers.

The relief is a result of fixes to the student loan system’s income-driven repayment plans. Under those repayment plans, borrowers get any remaining debt canceled by the government after they have made payments for 20 years or 25 years, depending on when they borrowed, and their loan and plan type.

20 or 25 years!!?? Less than 1 million borrowers qualify? That doesn't not help young people does it? Why is he drawing THAT line?

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Aging boomers/Gen Xers who think they're enlightened moderates because they're pro-choice but also think trans people are gross.

Is there anything more absurd than someone who doesn't hate half the country? Losers. Enlightened moderates? More like ####s amirite?

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Aging boomers/Gen Xers who think they're enlightened moderates because they're pro-choice but also think trans people are gross.

No person for me is ever put into "the other pile" simply because of one opinion they have that might differ from mine (not saying you're doing this, just saying for myself), but it's interesting that so many people seemed to have shifted to the right on issues around the time when Trump came to power. I honestly don't recall if I've ever heard the views of these people prior to Trump on the topics i perceive them to have shifted right on, but *feel* like prior to those years, I would have bet they'd be on the other side (more accepting and to the left) than many are now.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Sure he can. for example, student loans.

Most student debt is held by people who are in (or will be in) the top 25 per cent of Americans in income. More than half (56 per cent) of all student debt is held by the 14 per cent of Americans who went to graduate school.

https://educationdata.org/student-lo...y-income-level

Targeting forgiveness at working-class students who have moderate loans (as most do) seems fairer than spending 10s of billions from the public purse to compensate veterinarians, lawyers, and professors for tuition that vaulted them into the top earnings brackets.

Unless the intent is to buy off upper-middle-class voters in the same way making mortgage interest tax-deductible buys them off. But that seems an odd approach for people who champion a more egalitarian society.