2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Tbull8]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

That's an whole future 2nd line.

Also, weren't Mercer and Coronato taken back to back? Or was that Sillinger I'm thinking of.

Mercer was one pick ahead of the flames original pick before they traded down multiple times and took Zary.

Sillinger was right ahead of Coronato

[Monahammer]

Sillinger, but IMO it was pretty clear we wanted Mercer in the Zary draft.

[Mitch]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

I still can't decide as to whether I think Mercer or Holtz is better

Holtz gets 2.226 points per 60 minutes played (even strength). Mercer only gets 1.713.
The difference is even larger in terms of even strength production.

For comparison's sake, Holtz would be the 5th most productive player on the Flames after Coleman, Kadri, Sharangovich and Zary. Mercer would be around the same as Pospisil.

Mercer is underperforming. Last year, he produced 2.474 points per 60 minutes player. That's around the same as what Kadri and Lindholm did last year.

I think Holtz probably has the higher upside, but Mercer is more versatile and proven. I wouldn't be surprised if the Devils are more willing to trade Mercer due to his struggles this year. A good buy low candidate, similar to Kuzmenko.

Imo you're missing a lot of context to be able to draw conclusions to these stats.

First - Holtz is a winger, Mercer is a center. P/60 generally favours wingers over centers, so using that as a straight comparison is inherently flawed.

Second - How is Mercer being utilized this year vs. Holtz? Has his linemates changed? Is he playing against better players? What % of ozone vs. dzone starts does he get?

The drop in p/60 may just indicate Mercer taking on more responsibility and further developing as a center in the NHL.

[Dude Where's Makar?]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

That's an whole future 2nd line.

Also, weren't Mercer and Coronato taken back to back? Or was that Sillinger I'm thinking of.

I thought mercer was just before Zary? might have the wrong draft in my head

[Flames1217]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

That's an whole future 2nd line.

Also, weren't Mercer and Coronato taken back to back? Or was that Sillinger I'm thinking of.

Mercer was taken a pick before prior to moving back 15 times in the Zary draft.

Would love to know if the Flames move back if he was still there.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

Mercer was one pick ahead of the flames original pick before they traded down multiple times and took Zary.

That was awesome... I wanted them to take Zary with their original pick so for me it was like free assets.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Mitch

Imo you're missing a lot of context to be able to draw conclusions to these stats.

First - Holtz is a winger, Mercer is a center. P/60 generally favours wingers over centers, so using that as a straight comparison is inherently flawed.

Second - How is Mercer being utilized this year vs. Holtz? Has his linemates changed? Is he playing against better players? What % of ozone vs. dzone starts does he get?

The drop in p/60 may just indicate Mercer taking on more responsibility and further developing as a center in the NHL.

Mercer is a winger (at least this year and for last year). He played center in his first year.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Mitch

Imo you're missing a lot of context to be able to draw conclusions to these stats.

First - Holtz is a winger, Mercer is a center. P/60 generally favours wingers over centers, so using that as a straight comparison is inherently flawed.

Second - How is Mercer being utilized this year vs. Holtz? Has his linemates changed? Is he playing against better players? What % of ozone vs. dzone starts does he get?

The drop in p/60 may just indicate Mercer taking on more responsibility and further developing as a center in the NHL.

Huh?

Not trolling you, just don't understand how that can be true.

3 forwards on the ice at all times for 5 on 5 P60

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Sillinger, but IMO it was pretty clear we wanted Mercer in the Zary draft.

The "consolation prize" was pretty good though.

[Harry Lime]

I don't think anyone should be upset if it's Holtz over Mercer. Mercer is better right now, but Holtz could be the best winger on the team in two years. Unless you see Mercer as developing into a 1C at some point, I'd go Holtz.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by camm13

The Cap Dump is a previously 39 goal scorer whose seemed to unlock Huberdeau. He has offensive talent and is well liked guy in the room. If it works out great, if not we flip him next deadline. This isn't a Ryan reeves bench warmer type salary dump.

His take on the Lindholm was trade was that it was bad because they didn't retain which means the Flames will never rebuild.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Flames1217

Mercer was taken a pick before prior to moving back 15 times in the Zary draft.

Would love to know if the Flames move back if he was still there.

Right. Yeah the zary draft.

In both drafts I distinctly remember Flames fans being in anguish over the guy taken right before our pick.

Mercer and Sillinger were highly coveted around here.

[SportsJunky]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I think it will but I don't want to speak in absolutes or certain posters will start shredding me on here.

Good man. Speaking in absolutes seems ...odd.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Mitch

Imo you're missing a lot of context to be able to draw conclusions to these stats.

First - Holtz is a winger, Mercer is a center. P/60 generally favours wingers over centers, so using that as a straight comparison is inherently flawed.

Second - How is Mercer being utilized this year vs. Holtz? Has his linemates changed? Is he playing against better players? What % of ozone vs. dzone starts does he get?

The drop in p/60 may just indicate Mercer taking on more responsibility and further developing as a center in the NHL.

Mercer has been playing right wing. I agree with your takes on the flaws of the stat, but it's not worth stating said flaws every time the stat is used.

Mercer is playing with Meier and Lazar. Holtz is playing with Nosek and Bastian. Neither of them are playing with a ton of talent - so this is promising from a Flames perspective.

The drop is likely is not due to a different role, because I believe he spent more time at center last year. And on a higher line.

[Nelson]

This is about the last negotiation before NJ apparently re-engaged.

https://www.tsn.ca/countdown-to-trad...CS%2FMIX%2FRFY

Markstrom not asked to waive NTC

TSN Hockey Insider Pierre LeBrun confirmed Tuesday that the New Jersey Devils engaged with the Flames on trade talks surrounding Markstrom, but clarified the goaltender was never asked to waive his no-trade clause.

"What was not presented to Jacob Markstrom was this question, 'Would you waive to go to New Jersey?' And so that tells you a couple things," LeBrun explained on Insider Trading. "One, that those trade conversations didn't escalate to the point where it got to that juncture. It also asks a couple of other questions, which is why didn't it? And one of things we found out on this day was that there seems to be a discrepancy between the two teams about how much money either team should be paying Jacob Markstrom, which is to say that the Devils would want Calgary to retain some of the salary left on Markstrom's contract in any trade.

"He's got two and half years left on his deal at $6 million a year, so you can see why the Flames aren't too interested in that or at least if they were going to contemplate that, can the two teams agree and what kind of price that would cost. So, who knows if this thing is dead or not between the two teams, but certainly the Devils still need to upgrade their goaltending position."

The 34-year-old netminder has a 17-14-2 record this season with a .916 save percentage and a 2.50 goals-against average. He has rebounded significantly this season, after posting a .892 save percentage last year.

The Flames sit three points of back of both the Los Angeles Kings and St. Louis Blues for a wild-card spot in the Western Conference. St. Louis has one game in hand on Calgary, while Los Angeles has three.

The Devils are just two points back of the Detroit Red Wings for the final wild-card spot in the Eastern Conference as they lean on goaltenders Vitek Vanecek and Nico Daws. Vanecek, 28, has a 17-9-3 record this season with a .890 save percentage and a 3.18 GAA. Daws has posted two straight wins to improve his record to 5-5 with a .906 save percentage and a 3.02 GAA. New Jersey is currently carrying three goaltenders on their roster after recalling Akira Schmid, who has a 5-7-1 NHL record this season, from the AHL on Monday.

[Flames1217]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Right. Yeah the zary draft.

In both drafts I distinctly remember Flames fans being in anguish over the guy taken right before our pick.

Mercer and Sillinger were highly coveted around here.

I was very vocal about drafting Mercer back then.

I was still following the Q on a regular basis back then and had watched him play on multiple occasions. He quietly controlled games back then as he was always where he needed to be and had a wicked shot.

It was evident that he was going to play in the league. Same could be said for Pelletier but for different reasons.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I think you will change your mind when the deal gets done. If the deal gets done. I think it will but I don't want to speak in absolutes or certain posters will start shredding me on here.

[Heavy Jack]

That’s from yesterday morning which is pretty much ancient history in this thread lol

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Nelson

Pierre Lebrun has generally been pretty good with the Flames, so I thought this would be important to post:

https://www.tsn.ca/countdown-to-trad...CS%2FMIX%2FRFY

Markstrom not asked to waive NTC

TSN Hockey Insider Pierre LeBrun confirmed Tuesday that the New Jersey Devils engaged with the Flames on trade talks surrounding Markstrom, but clarified the goaltender was never asked to waive his no-trade clause.

Published Feb 14, 2024 at 08:54 AM ET

[Flames1217]

560 people in the thread lol