2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

Hypothetically speaking. Would you rather have
Mercer + 2024 2nd
Or
Holtz + 2024 1st

NJ doesn't have a 2024 2nd

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Getting mercer would be an unreal win. Shouldn't expect anything else imo.

BUT

That is under the notion that we are only trading Markstrom here, meaning we still potentially have Hanifin and Tanev to trade for more pieces yet.

It would be interesting to see what kind of return packaging either Hanifin or Tanev with Markstrom would return. In that case, the idea of getting Mercer + 1st + 3rd + B prospect sounds more realistic.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Didn't the comment from Freidman also kind of make it seem that the New Jersey offer could really expedite the retool.

[Savvy27]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

Hypothetically speaking. Would you rather have
Mercer + 2024 2nd
Or
Holtz + 2024 1st

Mercer for me. Flames need players with top 6 C potential desperately.

[Tbull8]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Option 2 could very well be Holtz + Iginla.

But it could also not be.

I'll take door #1. Mercer is NHL proficient already and a C. Flames need that.

It could also be the pick that’s used with Vancouver’s to move up and get Iginla regardless

[1qqaaz]

I still can't decide as to whether I think Mercer or Holtz is better

Holtz gets 2.226 points per 60 minutes played (even strength). Mercer only gets 1.713.
The difference is even larger in terms of even strength production.

For comparison's sake, Holtz would be the 5th most productive player on the Flames after Coleman, Kadri, Sharangovich and Zary. Mercer would be around the same as Pospisil.

Mercer is underperforming. Last year, he produced 2.474 points per 60 minutes player. That's around the same as what Kadri and Lindholm did last year.

I think Holtz probably has the higher upside, but Mercer is more versatile and proven. I wouldn't be surprised if the Devils are more willing to trade Mercer due to his struggles this year. A good buy low candidate, similar to Kuzmenko.

[Ford Prefect]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I'm a grumpy old prick.

If you’re like me it’s a calling.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

It could also be the pick that’s used with Vancouver’s to move up and get Iginla regardless

I think the Iggy Jr. pick comes through Tanev or Hanifin.

[teeschaber]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

Hypothetically speaking. Would you rather have
Mercer + 2024 2nd
Or
Holtz + 2024 1st

Mercer + 2nd every single day of the week

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by albertGQ

Mercer. We need a C

Echo this... I mean I'd rather get Nemec then either but I assume he's a non-option.

[Tbull8]

Sounds like Mercer + 1st is the dream then.

Iggy Mercer Coronato please

[Macho0978]

Mercer makes the most sense. If the Devils want to be a contender, they need a goalie, need a veteran d man to mentor their young d and really could use a veteran 3rd line center behind the 2-star centers.

They aren't winning with 3 centers that are 22 to 25 years old. Pittsburgh did it, but Crosby is on a different level than their centers. Most teams don't win with 3 guys that young at that important of a position.

If they can land Makrstrom for Mercer and a 2nd, they could target a veteran 3rd line center to replace Mercer.

[camm13]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

A cap dump, some future busts and essentially a 2nd rounder?

Not that high for the best rental center to move in a while.

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

You said the most key part of that yourself right there: rental

Brz "Adam fox of the OHL" a future bust. We'll bookmark that one for a couple years from now.

A 1st is a 1st. Canucks will choke as they always do, bumping the selection up.

It's 5 pieces that will enter the flames system for the foreseeable future for 3 months of Lindholm.

The Cap Dump is a previously 39 goal scorer whose seemed to unlock Huberdeau. He has offensive talent and is well liked guy in the room. If it works out great, if not we flip him next deadline. This isn't a Ryan reeves bench warmer type salary dump.

[bax]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

I still can't decide as to whether I think Mercer or Holtz is better

Holtz gets 2.226 points per 60 minutes played (even strength). Mercer only gets 1.713.
The difference is even larger in terms of even strength production.

For comparison's sake, Holtz would be the 5th most productive player on the Flames after Coleman, Kadri, Sharangovich and Zary. Mercer would be around the same as Pospisil.

Mercer is underperforming. Last year, he produced 2.474 points per 60 minutes player. That's around the same as what Kadri and Lindholm did last year.

I think Holtz probably has the higher upside, but Mercer is more versatile and proven. I wouldn't be surprised if the Devils are more willing to trade Mercer due to his struggles this year. A good buy low candidate, similar to Kuzmenko.

Except Mercer is a full 6 years younger than Kuzmenko

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Sec214

IF Dawson is on the table, expect the package to be less than previously communicated.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Would be incredible to get Mercer. How often do teams chasing the playoffs and entering their competitive window trade a 21 year old center who is frequently playing in their top six? It’s very rare let alone for a 34 year old goaltender. Not saying it can’t/won’t happen. Just that it’s extremely rare for a team to pay that kind of premium for a goaltender.

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

What was Filip Forsberg traded for again?

Edit: Martin Erat

It was a bad trade for Washington, but to be fair, Forsberg had yet to play an NHL game at that point. Mercer is a 22 year old established NHL player with 124 points in 216 games.

Erat was a really consistent producer up until the year he was traded and was seen as a good leader. I get why Washington, given where they were at the time, gave up a mystery box for him at the time. It just backfired.

[JurassicTunga12]

Getting Mercer or Holtz for Marky, and then perhaps trading Hanifin for someone like Lundell... Man.

Mercer/Holtz, Lundell(?), Zary, Pospisil, Pelletier, Sharangovich, Kuzmenko, with Coronato and Honzek in the wings... That would be a major youth and skill injection in a short amount of time.

That along with like 3 first round picks in the draft... Oh yeah. Make it happen.

[Funkhouser]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

I LOL'd

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

NJ doesn't have a 2024 2nd

They might have a 2024 2nd round pick if they get Markstrom.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

Sounds like Mercer + 1st is the dream then.

Iggy Mercer Coronato please

That's an whole future 2nd line.

Also, weren't Mercer and Coronato taken back to back? Or was that Sillinger I'm thinking of.