2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I'd rather take Vanacek than retain on Markstrom, if it's a choice.

Vanacek can be bought out next year. Don't see how he factors in the deal and isn't a decision point on Markstrom's retention.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

It’s one of those things you can’t say out loud, but guaranteed Conroy is thinking it.

If they want this rebuild to be faster, having a four 1st round picks goes a long way to doing that.

Just don’t #### them up.

Feaster went 1/3 in 2013 - Monahan, Poirier, Klimchuk.

He could have taken Theodore and Hartman.

Having those 1sts completely bust out set them back as much as anything.

Walk away from this draft with a top-10 centre plus two or three other contributing NHLers and 2027 isn’t an unreasonable target for a quality team.

Conroy said rebuilding in a sound bite.

[konradical]

NJ: Markstrom (retained)
CGY: 1st 2024 (conditions), Mercer, Siegenthaler, 3rd

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Jiggy_12

Based on his numbers alone is already a 2/3 C

Well he has been playing top 6 RW I think which helps. I think he ends up as a top 6 C myself, I just think worse case scenario he is a really good 3 C.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by 868904

I doubt the Flames will retain 50% on Markstrom.

I bet the Flames offered retaining $1 million per season ($3 million total) and the Devils wanted $3 million per season ($9 million total). IMO, that $9 million total retention should be worth two first round picks considering what Monahan cost the Flames and also the fact that Markstrom is actually good.

A deal probably gets done with retention somewhere in between.

Since it seems like Murray hates retaining, I bet they're gunning for a goalie contract coming back to balance the books instead (who will likely be buried next season, or serve as backup to wolf if vladar is gone), Mercer, and a 2nd/B prospect.

I think swinging for Mercer + 1st + dump is a great place to start for the flames (and probably was), even if the place you end up is less than that (but with Mercer being the must).

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

I want Mercer as much as the next guy. That said do you think mangi at 35% retained moves the needle? I will admit that I’m very low on mangi and I think the way he’s playing now is not a low but the norm

With the way he has played this year even with retention I am not sure adding Mangiapane moves any needle for NJ. They don't really need another winger let alone one that falls more than he scores.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by konradical

NJ: Markstrom (retained)
CGY: 1st 2024 (conditions), Mercer, Siegenthaler, 3rd

Calgary would have to add a lot to get a haul like that.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

If the Flames are this deep in talks with the Devils and knowing how much they have liked Mercer I would be shocked if he is not part of the trade. Dawson Mercer is a good young player but people talk about him on here like his value is Bedard or something. He should become a top 6 C but nothing is guaranteed there. His floor is probably a 3rd line C.

He is Backlund jr. he’ll replace Bread on the wing and learn from the master. In three years he’ll be 2/3 C just like Backs.

[Racki]

I really think we are going to be happy with the return from NJ if this deal does ultimately get done. I believe that NJ really, really wants him.

Ever gone to the car dealership with a budget in mind, but you overshoot it by a mile because you sit in that vehicle and love it? When you really want something it is easy to rationalize that payment. I think this is going to happen here, the Devils covet this goalie (for good reason) and ultimately they will pay a significant price for him.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

Vanacek can be bought out next year. Don't see how he factors in the deal and isn't a decision point on Markstrom's retention.

I think his immediate salary is certainly a decision impacting NJ. And the fact he can be bought out is why I'd prefer him.

I think you are figuring this from a NJ perspective, but do you really think they want to run Vanacek and Markstrom? I don't.

[Bongsong]

Lots of dreamers

[Jiggy_12]

Originally Posted by Bongsong

Lots of dreamers

Lindholm trade set the bar high.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Calgary would have to add a lot to get a haul like that.

I think you will change your mind when the deal gets done. If the deal gets done. I think it will but I don't want to speak in absolutes or certain posters will start shredding me on here.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Bongsong

Lots of dreamers

I bet people who posted lesser returns in proposals than what they actually got for Lindholm were told that as well.


#Conman
#Conman2024

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I think you will change your mind when the deal gets done. If the deal gets done. I think it will but I don't want to speak in absolutes or certain posters will start shredding me on here.

Appreciate that Diss. I’m excited to see what the return is.

[konradical]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Calgary would have to add a lot to get a haul like that.

I would add Tanev to that deal as well

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Conroy said rebuilding in a sound bite.

Right. But I’m talking about “markstrom is hurting our draft position”.

He is. But Conroy can’t and shouldn’t ever say that out loud, and he knows that.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by konradical

I would add Tanev to that deal as well

This also isn't being considered in the speculation.

What if the Flames are adding Tanev as a means to get the return they're looking for? (1st + mercer)

[StrykerSteve]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

I want Mercer as much as the next guy. That said do you think mangi at 35% retained moves the needle? I will admit that I’m very low on mangi and I think the way he’s playing now is not a low but the norm

As usual, CP has its sights set on someone and as such, Mercer is being overvalued on this board and Mang, undervalued.

Between the two in the same number of games, Mangiapane plays on his team’s most trusted line 5 on 5 and would be an absolute steal at 35% retained salary. He has more points this season and has scored 35 in this league and is +8 this year and has never been a minus player in his entire career (+53), while Mercer is -17 in his NHL career.

People treating Mangiapane as some worthless throw in are being ignorant to what his play-driving style consistently brings to his team.

[Naitix]

I agree with dissentower, the return will be quite good. Don’t forget that Flames have no reason to deal Markstrom other than for a huge overpay.