02-15-2024, 11:42 AM
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#21361
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I agree that Holtz or Mercer plus a first and prospect is an overpay for Markstrom alone but if we are adding retention it seems ok to me.
I would personally be upset if our team was the one trading that package for a goalie.
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02-15-2024, 11:42 AM
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#21362
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald
I take Holtz and run. Coronato is likely a third line player who can contribute on the PP IMO. Smallish and is not great defensively. Shelter him and you probably have a guy that will score you 20-25 with the right matchups. Holtz will be better in all situations.
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Have you watched Holtz? He is never going to be a 200 foot player. Offensively they are the same player.
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02-15-2024, 11:42 AM
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#21363
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Franchise Player
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I’d drive Markstrom to New Jersey if he could be traded at 50% for Mercer alone. I think there’s a pretty low likelihood that Mercer is on the table unless the Flames are adding a decent piece.
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02-15-2024, 11:43 AM
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#21364
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Calgary
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If they want Hanifin with Markstrom we can get both easily imo.
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02-15-2024, 11:43 AM
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#21365
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2021
Location: Richmond upon Thames, London
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dissentowner
I consider both Markstrom and Saros to have the same reputation as elite goalies, here is what SN proposes Saros nets from NJ. So I don't think our expectations are out of wack. Also, I don't like that Hanifin proposal.
https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article...ig-for-goalie/
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Terrible proposal for Noah.
McSN has always been out to lunch though.
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02-15-2024, 11:43 AM
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#21366
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BoLevi
draft positioning.
Markstrom is actively costing the Flames draft position.
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You've moved a lot on this topic!
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02-15-2024, 11:43 AM
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#21367
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Powerplay Quarterback
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F5 f5 f5
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02-15-2024, 11:44 AM
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#21368
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinny01
I know this is greedy but could the Flames get Mercer and Holtz if they add to Markstrom? Something like Markstrom+Mangiapane (35% retained in both) it would Bring both players under $4M and 1 extra year for Mangi and 2 for Marky.
Getting 2 22 year old former first rounders would be a nice way to retool
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I think you only get both if Hanifin is going the other way
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02-15-2024, 11:44 AM
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#21369
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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I'd rather take Vanacek than retain on Markstrom, if it's a choice.
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02-15-2024, 11:44 AM
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#21370
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First Line Centre
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Holtz is younger than Zary and has three less points than him on the year. Sure, he's played 9 more games but he's also averaging under 12 minutes a night, and isn't shooting 22.2% on the year.
If roles were reversed none of you would be saying Zary and a 1st was an underpayment for a 34 year old netminder making 6 million a season.
I maintain that Mercer ++ is an absolute pipedream unless we are retaining half and eating Vanecek's deal, but even then it's a stretch.
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02-15-2024, 11:45 AM
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#21371
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Franchise Player
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Can we get a CPuck correspondent to YYC to monitor all Newark outgoing flights?
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02-15-2024, 11:45 AM
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#21372
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent
The Flames don't think this way, and I guarantee you this isn't a talking point for management in their meetings.
It's about the assets they can extract, first and foremost.
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It’s one of those things you can’t say out loud, but guaranteed Conroy is thinking it.
If they want this rebuild to be faster, having a four 1st round picks goes a long way to doing that.
Just don’t #### them up.
Feaster went 1/3 in 2013 - Monahan, Poirier, Klimchuk.
He could have taken Theodore and Hartman.
Having those 1sts completely bust out set them back as much as anything.
Walk away from this draft with a top-10 centre plus two or three other contributing NHLers and 2027 isn’t an unreasonable target for a quality team.
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02-15-2024, 11:45 AM
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#21373
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bigrangy
I’d drive Markstrom to New Jersey if he could be traded at 50% for Mercer alone. I think there’s a pretty low likelihood that Mercer is on the table unless the Flames are adding a decent piece.
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If the Flames are this deep in talks with the Devils and knowing how much they have liked Mercer I would be shocked if he is not part of the trade. Dawson Mercer is a good young player but people talk about him on here like his value is Bedard or something. He should become a top 6 C but nothing is guaranteed there. His floor is probably a 3rd line C.
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02-15-2024, 11:46 AM
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#21374
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2021
Location: Richmond upon Thames, London
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
I agree that Holtz or Mercer plus a first and prospect is an overpay for Markstrom alone but if we are adding retention it seems ok to me.
I would personally be upset if our team was the one trading that package for a goalie.
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I'm only learning this year how highly valued salary retention is around the league. The way conroy talked about the importance of retention/non-retention makes it sound almost like tacking on a 1st or 2nd.
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02-15-2024, 11:46 AM
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#21375
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent
Terrible proposal for Noah.
McSN has always been out to lunch though.
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Guy must be a Sharks fan
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02-15-2024, 11:46 AM
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#21376
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Ate 100 Treadmills
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Quote:
Originally Posted by albertGQ
I'm calling it now
To Calgary:
Mercer, 2024 1st round pick (top 10 protected), 2025 2nd round pick, B level prospect & roster player/cap dump,
To NJ:
Markstrom ($1.5M-$2M retained)
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That would be a home run. Going into the 2024 draft with 3 1st rounders (at least) plus Mercer is a huge boost to any retool/rebuild.
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02-15-2024, 11:47 AM
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#21377
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Franchise Player
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I doubt the Flames will retain 50% on Markstrom.
I bet the Flames offered retaining $1 million per season ($3 million total) and the Devils wanted $3 million per season ($9 million total). IMO, that $9 million total retention should be worth two first round picks considering what Monahan cost the Flames and also the fact that Markstrom is actually good.
A deal probably gets done with retention somewhere in between.
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02-15-2024, 11:47 AM
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#21378
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Seattle, WA/Scottsdale, AZ
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dissentowner
Have you watched Holtz? He is never going to be a 200 foot player. Offensively they are the same player.
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This is kinda why he's in the doghouse.
What is mind bottling for me, is Sergey Brylin is on the coaching staff. Dude was as solid a two way forward as the Devils have had. I can't explain why he can't get through to Holtz.
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02-15-2024, 11:48 AM
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#21379
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dissentowner
If the Flames are this deep in talks with the Devils and knowing how much they have liked Mercer I would be shocked if he is not part of the trade. Dawson Mercer is a good young player but people talk about him on here like his value is Bedard or something. He should become a top 6 C but nothing is guaranteed there. His floor is probably a 3rd line C.
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Based on his numbers alone is already a 2/3 C
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02-15-2024, 11:48 AM
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#21380
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinny01
I know this is greedy but could the Flames get Mercer and Holtz if they add to Markstrom? Something like Markstrom+Mangiapane (35% retained in both) it would Bring both players under $4M and 1 extra year for Mangi and 2 for Marky.
Getting 2 22 year old former first rounders would be a nice way to retool
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I want Mercer as much as the next guy. That said do you think mangi at 35% retained moves the needle? I will admit that I’m very low on mangi and I think the way he’s playing now is not a low but the norm
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