2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Bingo

He literally said Vancouver stepped up with a good offer so he shopped it back to teams that were interested.

Sounds the same to me.

Only difference I see is fans adding texture to a story without knowing anything in addition.

lol interesting study in interpretation. I took it as Vancouver got serious but details weren’t nailed down. I think at that point it is fine to shop around.

Spoiler!

"Obviously I've been communicating with teams all year, but probably after Saturday morning, I talked to [Canucks general manager Patrik Allvin] and they came with an offer,” Conroy said. “I think I talked to a lot of teams, and it was more, 'What are you looking for?' and 'What are you thinking about?' conversations. They threw a real offer at me, and I circled back with all the other teams just to kind of work through to see where we were at.

I think it’s a little different if the trade was basically done and then Conroy shopped around. Definitely shop around off the first round to middle round of negotiations but people have different ideas on it and some stay really sharp even if the deal is 99% there.

[dammage79]

I want this to happen today. Trades! Make them happen!

[Paulie Walnuts]

https://www.nhl.com/flames/video/con...-6345972629112

Right here guys. Just watch this. No need to make anything up.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Bingo

There are literally quotes from Conroy talking about taking it back to other teams once Vancouver stepped up.

You’re right. I went back and reviewed a number of articles and in the NHL. com article he said he circled back to others. Good on Conroy for being consistent in his approach and squeezing everything out of the deal.

[Bingo]

Here's the quote ...

“There were numerous teams involved and a couple days ago, Vancouver called and really turned it up and wanted to get something done,”

“I reached back out to all the other teams and weighed all my options, and we came to a point where we said, ‘OK, this is the best deal for the Calgary Flames.'"

[Bubba17]

Originally Posted by Bingo

He literally said Vancouver stepped up with a good offer so he shopped it back to teams that were interested.

Sounds the same to me.

Only difference I see is fans adding texture to a story without knowing anything in addition.

I heard it different. I heard Conroy say that once Vancouver met the price that he called back other interested teams and told them the deal was done to be up front about it. Doesn't sound to me like he "shopped it back", but maybe I misheard him talking.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Bonded

lol interesting study in interpretation. I took it as Vancouver got serious but details weren’t nailed down. I think at that point it is fine to shop around.

Spoiler!

"Obviously I've been communicating with teams all year, but probably after Saturday morning, I talked to [Canucks general manager Patrik Allvin] and they came with an offer,” Conroy said. “I think I talked to a lot of teams, and it was more, 'What are you looking for?' and 'What are you thinking about?' conversations. They threw a real offer at me, and I circled back with all the other teams just to kind of work through to see where we were at.

I think it’s a little different if the trade was basically done and then Conroy shopped around. Definitely shop around off the first round to middle round of negotiations but people have different ideas on it and some stay really sharp even if the deal is 99% there.

But why are you applying a different interpretation to the Devil's negotiation without any tangible reason to do so?

Jersey could be backing away and frustrated for a variety of reasons.

I personally hope that Conroy is out there saying done deal and then walking it back. That's not a good look. But I'm not going to assume that's the case without any reason to do so.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Bubba17

I heard it different. I heard Conroy say that once Vancouver met the price that he called back other interested teams and told them the deal was done to be up front about it. Doesn't sound to me like he "shopped it back", but maybe I misheard him talking.

The quote is a post above.

Seems like he want back and asked other teams for their best.

[SuperMatt18]

It was honestly that quote that made me the most confident in Conroy since he's become GM.

Negotiation is always an ongoing process, and feels like Conroy is really understanding that. And he's made some trades now so teams will have to know it's not a bluff...make your best deal or match the other offers on the table or the player is gone.

I think the Tanev deal will be interesting...because once the first team folds and offers a first...what happens when Conroy brings that back to the other teams.

Edit: He said the same thing on barnburner and IMO was even more clear that he shopped the offer back to other teams.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Bubba17

I heard it different. I heard Conroy say that once Vancouver met the price that he called back other interested teams and told them the deal was done to be up front about it. Doesn't sound to me like he "shopped it back", but maybe I misheard him talking.

He said he went back to teams, and said he had a deal he liked. If he wasn't shopping it around why would he call them?

This is crazy.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

It was honestly that quote that made me the most confident in Conroy since he's become GM.

Negotiation is always an ongoing process, and feels like Conroy is really understanding that. And he's made some trades now so teams will have to know it's not a bluff...make your best deal or match the other offers on the table or the player is gone.

I think the Tanev deal will be interesting...because once the first team folds and offers a first...what happens when Conroy brings that back to the other teams.

Edit: He said the same thing on barnburner and IMO was even more clear that he shopped the offer back to other teams.

I think its the Phanuef deal he talked about that made him really think about things. He even kind of said that we received garbage back without saying it, but he sounded like a guy who has been taking notes from everyone.

Sutter, Feaster and Treliving.

Seems like a guy who is dialed in and knows what he wants from each deal, and wont just settle.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Bingo

But why are you applying a different interpretation to the Devil's negotiation without any tangible reason to do so?

Jersey could be backing away and frustrated for a variety of reasons.

I personally hope that Conroy is out there saying done deal and then walking it back. That's not a good look. But I'm not going to assume that's the case without any reason to do so.

My line of thought on this one was assuming Markstrom was actually asked to waive. I just saw the LeBrun thing now. If Markstrom wasn’t actually asked to waive then much less reason to think Conroy got too cute at the end because a deal wasn’t close to wrapped up if it never went to Markstrom.

[Bubba17]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

It was honestly that quote that made me the most confident in Conroy since he's become GM.

Negotiation is always an ongoing process, and feels like Conroy is really understanding that. And he's made some trades now so teams will have to know it's not a bluff...make your best deal or match the other offers on the table or the player is gone.

I think the Tanev deal will be interesting...because once the first team folds and offers a first...what happens when Conroy brings that back to the other teams.

Edit: He said the same thing on barnburner and IMO was even more clear that he shopped the offer back to other teams.

It is good he did that. Asking if that is their best offer is only professional and great as long as he doesn't return to Vancouver more than once, don't keep calling back and forth, give Van a chance to up their offer and if they don't then say thanks and accept the other offer.

Flames need to set their price and don't waiver. If Van says Kuz, 1st and 4th say no thanks and let Van call back when they are ready to offer more. In business I hated dealing with guys who kept coming back more than once, show me your best offer and lets get on with it.

[Gaudreau is a Ninja]

Originally Posted by Bubba17

I heard it different. I heard Conroy say that once Vancouver met the price that he called back other interested teams and told them the deal was done to be up front about it. Doesn't sound to me like he "shopped it back", but maybe I misheard him talking.

Just go watch Conroy on Barn Burner, he said Vancouver made their offer and Conny called the other interested teams so they could make their best offer as well. Conroy then said he liked Vancouver’s offer the best.

I for one am putting full trust in Conroy, he is doing a great job.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

When was the last time the Flames traded 6 roster players in a single season?

Great question.

I did a little dive into this. Just keep, this answer will include AHL fodder, future considerations and all.


In 2013-14 when the Flames made 13 trades.

There is a three way tie for most trades 80/81, 98-99 08-09 when the Flames made 14 trades in a single season again

for reference we traded 3 times so far this season.

Shout out to buff who also gave a good answer.

https://www.capfriendly.com/trades/flames
https://nhltradetracker.com/user/tra...lgary_Flames/3

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Flames_F.T.W

Anyone else getting a major case of trade blue balls??

Tantric trades, when it's over you'll wish you did it like this every time.

Next time, will have to be an auto-erotic asphyxiation trade to get the same high.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Well, where are the Devils going to find a better goalie?


Nashville is less eager than Calgary is to shed Saros. He is only 28. Askarov certainly seems like the future for them, but at this point, I don't see why Nashville would take the gamble without being paid handsomely for it.



Gibson isn't the same goalie as he once was. Perhaps playing behind a good team, he can regain his form? Seems like you are rolling the dice there, however, and for a team that has already rolled the goaltending dice, would it be smart to part with assets for a potential fix? Or do you package up a bit more assets and get the best performing goalie available right now?


Ok, maybe they punt this season. The Devils are certainly young enough to do so. Then what? Sign one from the UFA scrap heap?
https://www.spotrac.com/nhl/free-agents/goaltender/ufa/


I don't see an upgrade. Maybe a few gambles, but no clear upgrade for the Devils. I see stop-gaps at best, an interesting reclamation option or two, and a few 'worth a roll of the dice' options. Even then, some of these will get re-signed by their existing clubs.



Fleury is not the answer as a #1. Quick is certainly having a great season, but would the Devils' rivals be wiling to help out the Devils? Especially considering that Sheshterkin (the best goalie in the NHL) isn't playing close to his usual level. I think you can cross Quick's number off the list, and I am not sure that's a good enough gamble anyway considering his age.


One team that should be really damn scared is Toronto. They are in the first wildcard spot, and I don't think they will catch anyone in their division. Woll is not back yet, we are not sure when he will be back, and there is no telling how good he will be when he returns. Will he pick up where he left off? i am not saying that Toronto should be trading for Markstrom (though I do believe they should be in that mix), but I do believe that they may actually miss the playoffs. Devils are sitting just outside of the playoff picture, and find themselves there because of all the injuries and poor goaltending. Injuries are mostly fixed now (with Hamilton being the only really core player out), so it leaves goaltending as the only really glaring hole. I think they blow right by the Leafs with solid goaltending.


It will leave the Leafs fighting it out with Detroit for that last playoff spot, and to a lesser degree, the Islanders who are also there. Toronto has to make a move. Can you imagine the uproar if they miss? Considering all that draft capital already spent from previous seasons? I can see them missing, especially if the Devils acquire Markstrom.


LA is the next most likely destination. Do you continue rolling the dice with Talbot and Rittich? They certainly have more problems than simply goaltending right now, so if there is one team with a good reason to just punt the season, it is them. However, Kopitar is still their best centre, and he is 36. Doughty is their best defencemen, and he is 34. I am not sure they can really afford to do that.


I think Markstrom gets a healthy return. Conroy has Fitzgerald over a barrel here. There aren't more attractive options - especially as other options are either going to be more expensive (Saros) or just another roll of the dice. Markstrom is 'on' right now. Carolina has been doing well lately, but they could use a clear upgrade in net, even if they find themselves comfortable in the standings at the moment.



Solid goaltending is not easy to find right now. It is definitely holding the Devils back. I think Fitzgerald has to circle back to Markstrom.

[Toonage]

Flames dominating the TSN Trade Bait Board. Should be a fun 3 weeks!

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/jacob-markstr...list-1.2075882

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Flames dominating the TSN Trade Bait Board. Should be a fun 3 weeks!

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/jacob-markstr...list-1.2075882

It's humourous how there's the Oilers worst players on there just because Edmonton would be happy to get rid of them.

[Toonage]

I'd like to think "Edmonton 1st Rounder" is on there not because the pick has value but because somehow its already demanded a trade.