2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[D as in David]

Maybe Conroy has a number of trades in the works where the total number of players that he's been asked to retain on is greater than three and he's trying to work out the best permutations.

[CgyFlamesftw]

Originally Posted by Bingo

There's a lot of leaping to conclusions here.

Conroy would have checked with ownership about a whole range of retention scenarios so Markstrom and his contract wouldn't have been a last second thing.

It might be a deal that was worked out and then retention came up and the two teams couldn't agree (maybe Edwards set a return to high?) and then it came apart.

Devils could still be frustrated in that case.

I don't see Conroy waiting until he has the whole deal including retention figured out before he asked if he could retain on a non expiring contract. He's proven too smart so far to be that reckless.

I think we as fans have to be careful with reports that come out. Guessing they arel always 30% fact, and 70% filling in the blanks.

The filler may not be anywhere close to true.

This, seems like bad business to have a deal done, talk to markstrom to waive his NMC only to ask the owner and have it shot down. Usually you have a trade setup with retention go to the owner then ask Markstrom. Seems ass backwards to me.

[Jiggy_12]

Hey everyone, I think CC has earned the benefit of the doubt until we either see what happens next or find out what happened for certain.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Certainly possible.

But in that case you would have the Devils asking and Conroy saying no way Jose and that would be that.

He would know.

He wouldn't head into a Markstrom negotiation that got done package wise without knowing if he could or couldn't retain for Markstrom.

Devils are frustrated because they think the Flames want too much for retention? I can see that 100%.

I could see this being a likely scenario. Conroy could have gotten the framework of a trade setup with both sides agreeing to everything except the salary retention. Got the ok from Markstrom and then went to finalize the deal by sorting out the returns in exchange for salary retention and Conroy’s demands in exchange for salary retention could have been way higher than what the Devils were thinking. Could be a case where the devils never expected the price of salary retention to be so high and it made them frustrated that the deal was a waste of time if the cost to make the salary work would be so much.

All complete speculation. Could just see something like that happening. After the flames got crushed in the Monahan trade, Conroy might think the return for taking on or retaining any salary should be really high like it was when they dumped Monahan’s salary. Other teams (like the devils) might see that as just a bad trade that Treliving made and not want to match that kind of price.

[dammage79]

Maybe another team came in with another offer last minute. Like Colorado. Who knows. Just goes to show nothing is done until it's done.

I.e like he did with the Li dholm trade, circled back to interested parties and one came back with something that made them pause things

[Bingo Jr.]

Dammage is all over it ^^

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by Bingo

There's a lot of leaping to conclusions here.

Conroy would have checked with ownership about a whole range of retention scenarios so Markstrom and his contract wouldn't have been a last second thing.

It might be a deal that was worked out and then retention came up and the two teams couldn't agree (maybe Edwards set a return to high?) and then it came apart.

Devils could still be frustrated in that case.

I don't see Conroy waiting until he has the whole deal including retention figured out before he asked if he could retain on a non expiring contract. He's proven too smart so far to be that reckless.

I think we as fans have to be careful with reports that come out. Guessing they arel always 30% fact, and 70% filling in the blanks.

The filler may not be anywhere close to true.

So, what’s been collectively reported by Seravalli, Friedman and Steinberg can be summarized as follows. The Flames and the Devils had agreed on a trade. Markstrom agreed to waive his NMC. The trade did not happen. The Devils are frustrated, because the Devils thought they had solved their goaltending woes. Do you think 70% of that is filling in the blanks?

[Jay Random]

Friedman never reported that they had agreed on a trade. He said they were close.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Yes but I have to speak with one more source, he’s currently in transit. 2 hrs~

Any update Sec? We are itching for more details. All this stuff from Friedman is making it feel like there is a lot going on.

[Sec214]

Flames Ownership didn’t not block any deal or retention.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Nelson

So, what’s been collectively reported by Seravalli, Friedman and Steinberg can be summarized as follows. The Flames and the Devils had agreed on a trade. Markstrom agreed to waive his NMC. The trade did not happen. The Devils are frustrated, because the Devils thought they had solved their goaltending woes. Do you think 70% of that is filling in the blanks?

That's the 30% part.

The Murray Edwards is a prick is the 70%

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Flames Ownership didn’t not block any deal or retention.

Didn't not? You're not helping lol

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Flames Ownership didn’t not block any deal or retention.

Brilliance.

[Paulie Walnuts]

The frustration part is likely the value in what 2 years of retention costs.

Has a trade happened with this high a AAV that had 2.5 years of retention?

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Friedman never reported that they had agreed on a trade. He said they were close.

I said collectively.

Friedman said the return was not the real issue. The retention was.

Steinberg and Seravalli both report that Markstrom waived.

Seravalli reports the trade was agreed to in principal, but it fell apart.

[Sec214]

Flames had a deal in principle with NJD.

Conroy wanted to give courtesy to the other teams to match/improve their offers and NJD Fitz threw a fit, I believe both Carolina and LA were contacted.

Same #### happened when conroy and Vancouver made the deal with lindholm. Just Pat didn’t get pissy.

[atb]

Originally Posted by Bingo

There's a lot of leaping to conclusions here.

Conroy would have checked with ownership about a whole range of retention scenarios so Markstrom and his contract wouldn't have been a last second thing.

It might be a deal that was worked out and then retention came up and the two teams couldn't agree (maybe Edwards set a return to high?) and then it came apart.

Devils could still be frustrated in that case.

I don't see Conroy waiting until he has the whole deal including retention figured out before he asked if he could retain on a non expiring contract. He's proven too smart so far to be that reckless.

I think we as fans have to be careful with reports that come out. Guessing they arel always 30% fact, and 70% filling in the blanks.

The filler may not be anywhere close to true.

edit: nevermind just saw Sec's response

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Nelson

I said collectively.

Friedman said the return was not the real issue. The retention was.

Steinberg and Seravalli both report that Markstrom waived.

Seravalli reports the trade was agreed to in principal, but it fell apart.

But none of that says retention in principal was the problem, or that Edwards blocked it.

[dammage79]

Phil the THRILL Kessel is working out with the Canucks. Cheap addition for a playoff team.

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

Didn't not? You're not helping lol

Did not.

Conroy has presented he’s plan to Murray in December. Everything was approved including retention.