2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Maybe Hanifin asking for $8M isn't that crazy...it feels like $7-8M is the right range based on his peers.

Personally I like looking at 5v5 performance for d-men because the PP skews production heavily.

Over the last three years at 5v5 (Team Rank / League Rank)

TOI: 3694: 19 (1st / 21st)
Goals: 19 (1st / T-18th)
Points: 72 (1st / T-19th)
Shots: 356 (1st / 18th)
Corsi %: 53.1%
xGF %: 54.5%

Looking at the 5v5 points specifically:

1) Karlsson - $11.5M
2) Josi - $9.0M
3) Makar - $9.0M
4) Hedman - $7.8M
5) Hughes - $7.8M
6) Toews - $7.25M
7) Faulk - $6.5M
8) Morrissey - $6.25M
9) Dunn - $7.35M
10) Fox - $9.5M
11) Skjei - $5.25M
12) Dahlin - $11.0M
13) Forsling - ???
14) Dobson - $4.0M (2025 - RFA)
15) Reilly - $7.5M
16) Letang - $6.1M
17) Bouchard - $3.9M (2025 - RFA)
18) Weegar - $6.25M
19) Hanifin - ???
20) Burns - $8.00M
21) McAvoy - $9.5M
22) Slavin - $5.3M (2025 UFA)
23) Sergachev - $8.5M
24) Andersson - $4.55M (2026 UFA)
25) Heiskanen - $8.5M

Flames are probably trying to use guys like Dunn, Toews, Hughes as comparables that are around $7.5M...while Hanifin's camp would point to Sergachev, Heiskanen, McAvoy etc.

I still feel like $8.0M is a stretch for Hanifin on the open market but looking at it more I think $7.5M is likely doable on a 7 year deal in UFA for sure.

Worst things to build around than a Hanifin-Weegar, Kylington-Andersson d-core. (Also that Weegar deal was a great signing and sometimes gets overlooked because the Huberdeau contract is bad).

This should be /60 I think.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

This should be /60 I think.

Yeah, Hanifin is penalized a bit by being on a team with a pretty solid top 4 with tice time spread around.

[Savvy27]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

If Markstrum doesn’t want to leave because he loves Calgary he isn’t going to be happy giving starts the next 2 years to Wolf and then being replace as a UFA

Maybe this is the reason he’s open to listen ….

It's not just Wolf who benefits from having Markstrom. Look at Pekka Rinne, he had the best season of his career at 35 years old with Saros pushing for starts.

Rinne: 42-13-4 .926SVP 2.31GAA 8 Shutouts
Saros: 23-11-5 .925SVP 2.45GAA 3 Shutouts

And Nashville continues to benefit from excellent goaltending. Player development is also important in rebuilding. They already drafted the future starter, I'd like to see them bring him along properly too instead of just gifting him the starting role.

[iggyloob12]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Why does anyone think Markstrum wants to develop Wolf to take his job eventually ……

I think Markstrom wants to play as many games as possible and be the starter for the rest of his contract — but also top goalie in the league. Wolf can learn a lot by backing up Marky.

[Gaskal]

As Markstrom ages out of his contract you adjust by giving him less starts until Wolf naturally takes over full time; you don't want to chuck Dustin into the deep end of the pool right away.

Like maybe 60-22, 55-27, 50-32... so after 3 seasons I feel it's fairly realistic to expect Wolf to at least be ready to accept a 1B role if not be the outright starter. Unless his projection tanks badly or something outside of hockey happens (like with Tyler Parsons).

[sketchyt]

Originally Posted by Savvy27

It's not just Wolf who benefits from having Markstrom. Look at Pekka Rinne, he had the best season of his career at 35 years old with Saros pushing for starts.

Rinne: 42-13-4 .926SVP 2.31GAA 8 Shutouts
Saros: 23-11-5 .925SVP 2.45GAA 3 Shutouts

And Nashville continues to benefit from excellent goaltending. Player development is also important in rebuilding. They already drafted the future starter, I'd like to see them bring him along properly too instead of just gifting him the starting role.

Wanted to add to this.

It's a certainty that every young goalie comes into the league and will go through a period of struggle. Somewhere in between the 50-150 game mark. Video analysis is so good that it forces these goalies to make adjustments. Some manage to do it (i.e. Demko, even Price) and some don't (i.e. S. Mason, Blackwood).

Currently, phenom Devon Levi is rocking a .891 save percentage with no one to lean on.

The goalies who can make these adjustments while being able to lean on a good vet benefit greatly (i.e. Saros w/Rinne, Shesterkin w/Lundqvist, Price w/Halak)
You can even argue Skinner benefited from having Smith around (gross).

IMO, the value of having Markstrom around to maximize the talent level of Wolf long-term exceeds the assets #25 will bring back.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

As Markstrom ages out of his contract you adjust by giving him less starts until Wolf naturally takes over full time; you don't want to chuck Dustin into the deep end of the pool right away.

Like maybe 60-22, 55-27, 50-32... so after 3 seasons I feel it's fairly realistic to expect Wolf to at least be ready to accept a 1B role if not be the outright starter. Unless his projection tanks badly or something outside of hockey happens (like with Tyler Parsons).

Totally agree. I think Markstrom/Wolf is a really great pairing going forward.

A few benefits in my mind:
- Gives Wolf time to develop without having to be “the guy” right off the bat. If he takes the net faster than you expect, you have options
- A+ insurance policy if Wolf falters, again, giving you options
- It gives both Markstrom and Wolf someone good to compete for starts with (pushing them both) and gives Wolf the benefit of learning from a vet

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Maybe Hanifin asking for $8M isn't that crazy...it feels like $7-8M is the right range based on his peers.

Personally I like looking at 5v5 performance for d-men because the PP skews production heavily.

Over the last three years at 5v5 (Team Rank / League Rank)

TOI: 3694: 19 (1st / 21st)
Goals: 19 (1st / T-18th)
Points: 72 (1st / T-19th)
Shots: 356 (1st / 18th)
Corsi %: 53.1%
xGF %: 54.5%

Looking at the 5v5 points specifically:

1) Karlsson - $11.5M
2) Josi - $9.0M
3) Makar - $9.0M
4) Hedman - $7.8M
5) Hughes - $7.8M
6) Toews - $7.25M
7) Faulk - $6.5M
8) Morrissey - $6.25M
9) Dunn - $7.35M
10) Fox - $9.5M
11) Skjei - $5.25M
12) Dahlin - $11.0M
13) Forsling - ???
14) Dobson - $4.0M (2025 - RFA)
15) Reilly - $7.5M
16) Letang - $6.1M
17) Bouchard - $3.9M (2025 - RFA)
18) Weegar - $6.25M
19) Hanifin - ???
20) Burns - $8.00M
21) McAvoy - $9.5M
22) Slavin - $5.3M (2025 UFA)
23) Sergachev - $8.5M
24) Andersson - $4.55M (2026 UFA)
25) Heiskanen - $8.5M

Flames are probably trying to use guys like Dunn, Toews, Hughes as comparables that are around $7.5M...while Hanifin's camp would point to Sergachev, Heiskanen, McAvoy etc.

I still feel like $8.0M is a stretch for Hanifin on the open market but looking at it more I think $7.5M is likely doable on a 7 year deal in UFA for sure.

Worst things to build around than a Hanifin-Weegar, Kylington-Andersson d-core. (Also that Weegar deal was a great signing and sometimes gets overlooked because the Huberdeau contract is bad).

I don't think the Flames should build around those 4. IMO none are elite on the PP and the Flames need someone that is if they want to become an elite team. You can make a case Weegar is the only one who is high end on the PK too.

Hanifin is good 5 on 5, but he and OK probably are the least valuable on the PP/PK. OK isn't getting anywhere near $8 mil and Hanifin probably brings back a haul from teams that already have elite players but need a solid guy behind their stars.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by sketchyt

Currently, phenom Devon Levi is rocking a .891 save percentage with no one to lean on.

Ukko-Pekka Luukkonen has actually been really good for the Sabres, they just have Levi tunnel vision.

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by sketchyt

Wanted to add to this.

It's a certainty that every young goalie comes into the league and will go through a period of struggle. Somewhere in between the 50-150 game mark. Video analysis is so good that it forces these goalies to make adjustments. Some manage to do it (i.e. Demko, even Price) and some don't (i.e. S. Mason, Blackwood).

Currently, phenom Devon Levi is rocking a .891 save percentage with no one to lean on.

The goalies who can make these adjustments while being able to lean on a good vet benefit greatly (i.e. Saros w/Rinne, Shesterkin w/Lundqvist, Price w/Halak)
You can even argue Skinner benefited from having Smith around (gross).

IMO, the value of having Markstrom around to maximize the talent level of Wolf long-term exceeds the assets #25 will bring back.

Demko was backup to Markstrom for a couple of years, was he not?

I completely agree with the mentoring and easing in approach. Not everyone can be Mike Vernon and take the ball and run with it

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Just got this text.

"Noah wants paid 8~. Connie views him expendable. Connie believes in OK. Pat and Con are doing business now."

8?!?!? Yeesh. Yeah, see yah Noah

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Just got this text.

"Noah wants paid 8~. Connie views him expendable. Connie believes in OK. Pat and Con are doing business now."

NSFW!

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

Hanifin can go for $8MM. He is the perfect example of a player who ramps it up for a contract year and then will underperform. If we are being honest he hasn't been top pairing quality here in Calgary until this year.

Kind of adds up why he hasn’t signed yet. Crank up the points. Rushing the puck. Scoring. Overshadowing Ras. Pushing his price up.

But….He actually has been a top pairing for a while if you look at some of Bingos numbers. He sits in top 64 blueliners in some important categories.

I would repeat the $7.5mm price one more time. He says no then deal him.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Just got this text.

"Noah wants paid 8~. Connie views him expendable. Connie believes in OK. Pat and Con are doing business now."

[dissentowner]

I think it will come in at the 7.5 AAV, I have not heard that money was an issue, just the commitment to Calgary long term.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Just got this text.

"Noah wants paid 8~. Connie views him expendable. Connie believes in OK. Pat and Con are doing business now."

So Conroy thinks Kylington can replace Hanifin, that Noah isn't an $8M player, and Brisson and Conroy are working to find an acceptable deal, with a possible sign and trade?

[Niemo]

I hope Treliving trades a 4th and 5th on deadline day for Greg Gilbert and Rooney. Always need that depth!!

[Niemo]

Also, it would be a big slap in the face if Kylington did not resign for 1 year with the Flames at a huge discount.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Niemo

I hope Treliving trades a 4th and 5th on deadline day for Greg Gilbert and Rooney. Always need that depth!!

That would be one hell of a trade.

[Niemo]

Just seems like an annual Treliving thing….to bring in those no6-7 dmen and 4Cs for 4th and 5ths for playoff depth. They always sucked.