2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Elliott just said teams swirling around Tanev, sounds like sooner than later.

OMG it’s the Sharks.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Elliott just said teams swirling around Tanev, sounds like sooner than later.

Originally Posted by Rick M.

OMG it’s the Sharks.

Friedman just heard that story from his chum.

[HighLifeMan]

Originally Posted by tony-soprano

More production, leadership and more of a physical game.

Hanifin might be in his prime years, plays a durable style but the fact he stepped up his play specifically in a contract year.. theirs no guarantee he won't go back to his old self once the contract is signed.

I am as big of a Weegar guy as you will find, but Hanifin is only one point behind him this year, and outproduced him last year, and the year prior to that.

He's also three years younger. Hanifin is going to get 7.5M or more whether that's here or elsewhere.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by iggyloob12

I think Marky has more value as a mentor to Wolf.

I think he has less value that way... so long as he's here Markstrom will take the Lion's share of the starts and Wolf needs NHL reps more then anything.

[Bingo]

Weegar doesn't have the same level of hands or boots that Hanifin has.

I think he's rock solid as a defender, but not as good walking the line or transitioning the puck.

[Hoop27]

Only if you want to destroy Dustin's career. Throwing them in too early is the number 1 killer of goaltenders. You let Dustin be mentored for 2 years while getting NHL reps then you hope he is ready to take over.

Originally Posted by Parallex

I think he has less value that way... so long as he's here Markstrom will take the Lion's share of the starts and Wolf needs NHL reps more then anything.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

I am as big of a Weegar guy as you will find, but Hanifin is only one point behind him this year, and outproduced him last year, and the year prior to that.

He's also three years younger. Hanifin is going to get 7.5M or more whether that's here or elsewhere.

I think they are basically equal. If I had to pick, I'd take Weegar, but it's almost a coin toss.

Give Hanifin Weegar-money, and I'm in. Add 5% for the cap increasing and call it $7.1m

[HighLifeMan]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I think they are basically equal. If I had to pick, I'd take Weegar, but it's almost a coin toss.

Give Hanifin Weegar-money, and I'm in. Add 5% for the cap increasing and call it $7.1m

I think that's fair, but you also have to factor in that Weegar is also signed to his 36/37 year old season whereas an eight year deal will run Hanifin to 34/35. I would have preferred to give Weegar 6 X 7.5 rather than the 8x6.5 he got personally.

[Jacks]

I'd stick at 7-7.5M maximum for Hanifin and if it's 7.5M it better not be a toxic contract full of signing bonuses and trade restrictions. Any more than that trade him, if he's a rental he'll be extremely lucky to get 56-60M in UFA. Look what happened to Klingberg.

[HighLifeMan]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Weegar doesn't have the same level of hands or boots that Hanifin has.

I think he's rock solid as a defender, but not as good walking the line or transitioning the puck.

Similar impact with completely different styles for sure.

I think when Weegar is at his best he controls the game in a more meaningful way in all three zones, but Hanifin has less up's and down's.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Hanifin:



It's a square with 4 quadrants.


A) You keep Hanifan if he is signing for less than his worth and the returns suck
B) Think about it if Hanifan is signing for less and the returns are good
C) You trade Hanifan if he is signing for more than he is worth and the packages are great
d) You think about it if Hanifan is signing for more and the packages suck.


Overriding this completely, is what Hanifin is willing to do. Is he even willing to stay here?



I am certainly leaning towards trading him, and I imagine the market is really strong for him too, I am not very worried about being forced into a poor decision. Either Hanifan signs here and the deal is fair for both sides, or he is traded for a good return. Either option is great, really, even if my preference is on trading him.


Tanev:



Tanev is "Trade him to the highest bidder". If Ottawa has any hope of signing him, they pretty much have to be the highest bidder at this stage, and use the time to court him, otherwise there are zero reasons why Tanev would sign there, and I would also assume that it is highly unlikely that he even becomes a UFA, as the team that trades for him will likely extend him.


Markstrom:


McElhinney, Brossoit, McDonald, Berra, Ramo, Hiller, Elliott, Toskala, Turek, Noodles, Boucher, Sauve, Keetley, Joseph, Karlsson, Taylor, Johnson, Rittich, Lack, Smith, Zagidulin, Vladar, Medvedev, Spratt, Schneider, Lalande, Irving, Ortio, Gillies, McDonald, Parsons, Wolf, Chechelev, Sergeev and Yegorov. Plus more that I missed, I am sure.


Flames are NOT going to give Markstrom away when you look at the above. How many goalies have they gone through? How many terrible goalies have they signed that didn't pan out and it cost the Flames wins? How much assets have the Flames spent on trading for goalies that didn't work out? How much draft capital have they spent drafting goalies, and trying to develop them, without them panning out?



Maybe you are one of the FEW who dislike Markstrom. Fine. Pick a goalie from the list I provided that has been a better goalie for the organization. There isn't one. I liked a few on that list, but Markstrom has been the best of the bunch, and it really hasn't been close. Vernon - Kipprusoff - Markstrom - there's your top 3 goaltenders.


Yes, it doesn't make sense to keep Markstrom around - except that he can really help develop Wolf. That's value. Flames need one single team to bid on Markstrom to kick-start a bidding war - the Flames are the other team. Either the offer is good enough, or they keep him. Next year you see what happens. I would love to trade Markstrom before the deadline personally as I think the return will be substantial, but there is no rush. I am enjoying the fact that the goalies aren't losing games by themselves. This is the most interesting asset to keep an eye on. I bet he moves. If he doesn't, that's ok.

[Jason14h]

Why does anyone think Markstrum wants to develop Wolf to take his job eventually ……

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Why does anyone think Markstrum wants to develop Wolf to take his job eventually ……

He's 34? He knows he's not going to be the guy forever. Even the most competitive guys know they'll be replaced. This isn't new.

[Jiggy_12]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Why does anyone think Markstrum wants to develop Wolf to take his job eventually ……

huh

[Hoop27]

Only 2 years left on his deal after this year. Then he can get one last payday as a UFA if it works well.

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Why does anyone think Markstrum wants to develop Wolf to take his job eventually ……

[bluejays]

You don’t have to keep Markstrom or any of the high price vets for development mentorship purposes. Deal any of these guys for value and sign a vet wanting a last hurrah among young players. Not quite sure why any of the current vets have to be around when you can deal them, they won’t be around for the competitive window, and you can sign guys for cheaper that fill that role. It’s a win win to deal any of them now. Hearing that Hanifin deal makes me cringe.

[stemit14]

There are exceptions of course, but it seems that most of the top goalies in the league are eased into the position after backing up an established #1 goalie for at least a year. Shesterkin and Demko are good examples… they played behind Lundqvist and Markstrom. I think Buffalo may have made a mistake just planning to give the reigns to Levi this year. Would not want to do the same thing with Wolf.

That being said, I think the flames could ease Wolf in next season with either Markstrom or Vladar as the starter to shield Wolf from some tough starts in his first few months.

[Jason14h]

If Markstrum doesn’t want to leave because he loves Calgary he isn’t going to be happy giving starts the next 2 years to Wolf and then being replace as a UFA

Maybe this is the reason he’s open to listen ….

[Cycling76er]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

If Markstrum doesn’t want to leave because he loves Calgary he isn’t going to be happy giving starts the next 2 years to Wolf and then being replace as a UFA

Maybe this is the reason he’s open to listen ….

He's not going to be playing all 164 of those games. Someone else is also going to be getting starts. That someone is likely Wolf. It's doubtful that Wolf will be the starter next year.

As for Markstrom being open to the idea of being traded, he said to Eric Francis that the ball is in the Flames's court. I got the sense that he really likes it here and wants to stay. However, if the Flames feel like it's time to move on, for whatever reason, he's not going to stand in their way. He's open to working with them to help them do whatever they want to do.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Weegar doesn't have the same level of hands or boots that Hanifin has.

I think he's rock solid as a defender, but not as good walking the line or transitioning the puck.

Weegar actually has a high top end skating speed for some unknown reason:

https://www.nhl.com/news/topic/nhl-e...hts%20on%20Nov.