Israel declares war on Hamas

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by Southside403

https://youtu.be/667Kf1rUfmY?si=HiJCWfdh-SzAOkmR
You can't speak freely or protest certain places in Israel

You can speak freely like Canada or the rest of the modern world.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by TherapyforGlencross

Iran would never admit to it, but I also don’t think it’s a completely far fetched conspiracy theory.

Here’s a source

https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-eas...ning-bbe07b25#




Now mind you, I also found this, stating the opposite:

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/20...raeli-military



Iran is a problem and will continue to be a problem for Middle East peace.

Absolutely. it's a problem but I believe both the Israelis and Americans are both saying that they believe there was no involvement from them in the attack.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/11/polit...ubt/index.html
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/iran...y?id=103831380
https://www.reuters.com/world/initia...es-2023-10-11/

But that won't stop blankall spouting random lies because that's what he does.

And I wouldn't put any faith in the credibility of the wsj. It's reckless of them to suggest what they did the day after based on nothing. But that's what they do. Print baseless claims..

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by TherapyforGlencross

Iran would never admit to it, but I also don’t think it’s a completely far fetched conspiracy theory.

Here’s a source

https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-eas...ning-bbe07b25#




Now mind you, I also found this, stating the opposite:

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/20...raeli-military



Iran is a problem and will continue to be a problem for Middle East peace.

There is no way in hell Iran planned what happened on Oct 7th, they undoubtedly were aware an attack was going to happen and provided a chunk of the weapons over the last few years as this was built up too but the truth is Oct the 7th has been an absolute disaster for Iran and Hamas, by the time this is over in another few months Hamas like Gaza itself will be utterly destroyed, it will take decades to rebuild, most of the population will blame Hamas, the mass rapes and murders have made it impossible to turn into a political victory, the only saving grace for Hamas and Iran is Israels over reaction but Israel doesnt care what the world thinks right now and they end up destroying Gaza, they dont need a political victory

The end result of this is Gaza destroyed while Iran stands by watching impotently doing nothing, it is a disaster for them

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

You really lost your way, what a shame.

He got feedback because he said basically that he knew a jew thus all jews must have that negative trait. He also followed up and seems to have realized what he said. But you can’t.

Only one completely blinded by their side would post as you have. It really is pathetic, especially when the comment was made against jews.

You misinterpreted (repeatedly) his post (going so far as suggesting he “basically” said something he didn’t come close to saying). He said he saw how it could be interpreted in a way he didn’t mean it, but you couldn’t even be bothered to apologise for calling him an anti-semite, you just said he deserved it.

You call people blind, anti-semites, pathetic, that they “lost their way” or whatever, for something as simple as politely suggesting you use a term too loosely. That speaks for itself.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

You misinterpreted (repeatedly) his post (going so far as suggesting he “basically” said something he didn’t come close to saying). He said he saw how it could be interpreted in a way he didn’t mean it, but you couldn’t even be bothered to apologise for calling him an anti-semite, you just said he deserved it.

You call people blind, anti-semites, pathetic, that they “lost their way” or whatever, for something as simple as politely suggesting you use a term too loosely. That speaks for itself.

Wrong, you are defending your teammates when you shouldn’t be. The term isn’t used loosely and I explained why in each case, giving space for them to explain their point, as what just happened. In most cases, they double down and prove my point.

If it was any other group besides Jews being attacked, you wouldn’t be defending those types of comments, and that has been noted multiple times here. Like I said, several of you have jumped the shark and it is really sick.

[Leondros]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

Wrong, you are defending your teammates when you shouldn’t be. The term isn’t used loosely and I explained why in each case, giving space for them to explain their point, as what just happened. In most cases, they double down and prove my point.

If it was any other group besides Jews being attacked, you wouldn’t be defending those types of comments, and that has been noted multiple times here. Like I said, several of you have jumped the shark and it is really sick.

Dear lord you have really built up a victim complex haven’t you? It always has to be you against the world

[PsYcNeT]

He's been like this for years guys. He called me an anti-Semite and self-hating Jew like 8 years ago for something much less heated and far more trivial.

It's a really good way to deflect though, I'll give him that.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

Wrong, you are defending your teammates when you shouldn’t be. The term isn’t used loosely and I explained why in each case, giving space for them to explain their point, as what just happened. In most cases, they double down and prove my point.

If it was any other group besides Jews being attacked, you wouldn’t be defending those types of comments, and that has been noted multiple times here. Like I said, several of you have jumped the shark and it is really sick.

This is just you doubling down instead of having any introspection whatsoever.

The idea that you called someone anti-semitic (again) when it was very clear they weren’t and were not saying something that was, and that person made clear that it wasn’t intended that way, and instead of apologising or recognising that you were too quick to use the word, you call people “sick” for pointing out that you were too quick to use the word… is insane.

Iron Maiden didn’t say anything worse about Jews than you or Beninho say about Palestinians, or actually, anything you say about anyone critical of Israel for that matter. But it’s tough having any conversation when you’re so full of hate that you convince yourself everyone hates you.

Just own your actions and stop with this nonsense.

[Fuzz]

It's easier to justify the killing when you are always the victim.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

He's been like this for years guys. He called me an anti-Semite and self-hating Jew like 8 years ago for something much less heated and far more trivial.

It's a really good way to deflect though, I'll give him that.

Yup. Been playing the victim card for years anytime anything critical of Israel is posted.

Latest deflection is that to be critical of the ongoing genocide equates to having an appetite for terror.

[TherapyforGlencross]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

There is no way in hell Iran planned what happened on Oct 7th, they undoubtedly were aware an attack was going to happen and provided a chunk of the weapons over the last few years as this was built up too but the truth is Oct the 7th has been an absolute disaster for Iran and Hamas, by the time this is over in another few months Hamas like Gaza itself will be utterly destroyed, it will take decades to rebuild, most of the population will blame Hamas, the mass rapes and murders have made it impossible to turn into a political victory, the only saving grace for Hamas and Iran is Israels over reaction but Israel doesnt care what the world thinks right now and they end up destroying Gaza, they dont need a political victory

The end result of this is Gaza destroyed while Iran stands by watching impotently doing nothing, it is a disaster for them

The original poster said ‘on command’, to which I took it as giving their blessing for the attack. Hamas coordinated the attack but if Iran did not give their blessing, the attack would never have happened. If Iran is so upset at the effect, it’s telling that they continue to blow up regional security with continued attacks on international commercial trade ship trades in the Red Sea, using the Gaza crisis as their crutch and proxies as their human shield. It’s sickening.

To your second point, no, I think most people will look at the carnage and blame Israel (especially those living in the Middle East). Interesting how the Saudi-Israel deal was abandoned shortly after October 7. Another win for Iran. Just wait until they obtain nukes.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by TherapyforGlencross

The original poster said ‘on command’, to which I took it as giving their blessing for the attack. Hamas coordinated the attack but if Iran did not give their blessing, the attack would never have happened. If Iran is so upset at the effect, it’s telling that they continue to blow up regional security with continued attacks on international commercial trade ship trades in the Red Sea, using the Gaza crisis as their crutch and proxies as their human shield. It’s sickening.

To your second point, no, I think most people will look at the carnage and blame Israel (especially those living in the Middle East). Interesting how the Saudi-Israel deal was abandoned shortly after October 7. Another win for Iran. Just wait until they obtain nukes.

I suspect in a year or two when for everyone but Gazans this will be just history those that hate Israel will still hate them, those that support Israel will still support them but the vast majority of the world will just add this to the chronology of the conflict, I have no doubt Saudi Arabia will wait a bit and then move back towards signing the deal, I think we tend to over estimate the long term effects of these conflicts, the horror and outrage tend to be temporary, Israel knows this and so are operating on an 'in for a penny in for a pound' level, frankly the more damage to Gaza's infrastructure they do the better for them at this point, it makes no difference to the backlash they face but will make Gaza a lousy place to live for decades, people will get out of their if they can and thats a win for Israel

[Leondros]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

I suspect in a year or two when for everyone but Gazans this will be just history those that hate Israel will still hate them, those that support Israel will still support them but the vast majority of the world will just add this to the chronology of the conflict, I have no doubt Saudi Arabia will wait a bit and then move back towards signing the deal, I think we tend to over estimate the long term effects of these conflicts, the horror and outrage tend to be temporary, Israel knows this and so are operating on an 'in for a penny in for a pound' level, frankly the more damage to Gaza's infrastructure they do the better for them at this point, it makes no difference to the backlash they face but will make Gaza a lousy place to live for decades, people will get out of their if they can and thats a win for Israel

Holy ######, you know you can use periods right? Were you going for the longest run-on sentence in history?

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Bagor

Absolutely. it's a problem but I believe both the Israelis and Americans are both saying that they believe there was no involvement from them in the attack.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/11/polit...ubt/index.html
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/iran...y?id=103831380
https://www.reuters.com/world/initia...es-2023-10-11/

But that won't stop blankall spouting random lies because that's what he does.

And I wouldn't put any faith in the credibility of the wsj. It's reckless of them to suggest what they did the day after based on nothing. But that's what they do. Print baseless claims..

There's no way to prove how involved Iran was. We know they've been given training, weapons, tactics, intelligence, etc.. to Hamas leaders. The attack juts happened to happen weeks or even day before an alliance between Iran's two biggest enemies was about to occur. Unless someone like Sinwar confesses that Iran set it up, they'll never be proof. Even then, it's a bit of a blurred line between encouraging an attack and being involved in an attack. If Iran is purposely exploiting a desperate group of people and giving all the means and encouragement to attack, at what point do you consider them to be an active player.

Also, LOL at discrediting the Wall Street Journal. Second largest newspaper in America. Won the 2023 Pulitzer Prize for Investigative Journalism.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Leondros

Holy ######, you know you can use periods right? Were you going for the longest run-on sentence in history?

fair enough, my point still stands, in a couple of years no one will care.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by Bagor

Yup. Been playing the victim card for years anytime anything critical of Israel is posted.

Latest deflection is that to be critical of the ongoing genocide equates to having an appetite for terror.

yawn

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

He's been like this for years guys. He called me an anti-Semite and self-hating Jew like 8 years ago for something much less heated and far more trivial.

It's a really good way to deflect though, I'll give him that.

How about you find some quotes and context instead of just continuing labelling someone. In this case, just like the rest, it was obvious (and they very respectfully responded to what they wrote). In each other case, they just went after me instead of reading what they wrote. Q actually doubled down and you were not just silent about it, you are now piling on me. Company you keep, you know?

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

How about you find some quotes and context instead of just continuing labelling someone. In this case, just like the rest, it was obvious (and they very respectfully responded to what they wrote). In each other case, they just went after me instead of reading what they wrote. Q actually doubled down and you were not just silent about it, you are now piling on me. Company you keep, you know?

You're not worth the effort

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

How about you find some quotes and context instead of just continuing labelling someone. In this case, just like the rest, it was obvious (and they very respectfully responded to what they wrote). In each other case, they just went after me instead of reading what they wrote. Q actually doubled down and you were not just silent about it, you are now piling on me. Company you keep, you know?

What label did he just place on you?

In this thread, the company you keep have here or previously on this board:
- called Palestinians animals
- called Jews anti-semites and self-hating
- wished death on other posters, including for being gay
- shared propaganda videos from white nationalists
- promoted the value of teaching the “good” the Nazis accomplished

Is it fair to view or label you based on the company “you keep” (which seems, like your team comments, to mean nothing more than having some overlapping opinions)?

What would that label be? You’ve thrown around plenty, so which would you choose?

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by blankall

Hamas attacked Israel, on command from Iran,

Originally Posted by blankall

There's no way to prove how involved Iran was.

Also, LOL at discrediting the Wall Street Journal. Second largest newspaper in America. Won the 2023 Pulitzer Prize for Investigative Journalism.

Just can't stop with the lies can you?

Yes. For a sole financial investigation. Not overall.

When it comes to this conflict they're losing credibility both with the above mentioned reckless baseless reporting and their UNRWA piece.