Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Dentoman]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Ultimately it shouldn't cost much. Private plans get deducted from paycheques, but those plans wouldn't be needed to cover drugs, so they should be much cheaper. That vacates financial space, so taxes could go up to fill that space. There, you've now got more income stream to pay for it. Without insurance company middle men siphoning off dollars costs can come down.

Sunlife is gonna administer the national dental plan. Provinces could have easily administered it. Don't count out another insurance company "managing" national pharmacare. The insurance companies aren't gonna let a cash cow walk out the door.

Edit: I won't be enrolling in the national dental plan. Between low level of reimbursement and Sunlife administering it ... makes no business sense for me.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Dentoman

Sunlife is gonna administer the national dental plan. Provinces could have easily administered it. Don't count out another insurance company "managing" national pharmacare. The insurance companies aren't gonna let a cash cow walk out the door.

Edit: I won't be enrolling in the national dental plan. Between low level of reimbursement and Sunlife administering it ... makes no business sense for me.

Ya, I get it. I'm dreaming of a perfect reality. In theory we should be able to do these things and save money.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Ya, I get it. I'm dreaming of a perfect reality. In theory we should be able to do these things and save money.

Dreaming for sure. I highly doubt the government is going to run these programs and “save” the taxpayers money. Hahaha.

[Fuzz]

Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre said Wednesday he does not support trans kids taking puberty blockers — medicines that are used to pause puberty before a possible gender transition or other interventions, like hormone therapy.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/poi...107486?cmp=rss


There ya go, Pierre is a federal version of Smith. I'll say it again, Nobody gives a #### what you or any politician "thinks" or "feels" on this issue. These are medical decisions to be made by experts and their patients. You have less than zero credibility or expertise to make this decision. Please #### the hell off.


This country is turning right into a gaping crater of intolerance and ignorance being cheer-led by religious conservatives and nobody seems to give a ####.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I'll say it again, Nobody gives a #### what you or any politician "thinks" or "feels" on this issue. These are medical decisions to be made by experts and their patients. You have less than zero credibility or expertise to make this decision. Please #### the hell off.

It's not like he called a press conference to discuss the issue. Reporters have been asking him about it, he answered.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Jacks

It's not like he called a press conference to discuss the issue. Reporters have been asking him about it, he answered.

And his answer tells us all we need to know about how he feels about who should make these decisions. Politicians who have zero expertise. Maybe next time he needs an oil change he can have his sandwich artist do it.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

And his answer tells us all we need to know about how he feels about who should make these decisions. Politicians who have zero expertise. Maybe next time he needs an oil change he can have his sandwich artist do it.

I was addressing you saying that noone cares about his opinion but clearly that isn't true because multiple reporters kept asking him. Was he not supposed to answer?
Trudeau isn't a doctor or a scientist either but you don't seem to have a problem with him using the issue for political gain.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Jacks

I was addressing you saying that noone cares about his opinion but clearly that isn't true because multiple reporters kept asking him. Was he not supposed to answer?
Trudeau isn't a doctor or a scientist either but you don't seem to have a problem with him using the issue for political gain.

Are you really equating those things? Trudeau coming out to defend the vulnerable against this trash, and Pierre saying "ya, I'd take those rights away from them, too!"


Does no one posses the skill to think critically about anything anymore? #### me, man, get it together.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Nobody gives a #### what you or any politician "thinks" or "feels" on this issue.

Just pointing out that your rant was hypocritical. You clearly do care what politicians think and feel, you'd be going off the deep end (as usual) if he refused to answer the question.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Jacks

Just pointing out that your rant was hypocritical. You clearly do care what politicians think and feel, you'd be going off the deep end (as usual) if he refused to answer the question.

Here's where you fail. Critical thinking. Give it a shot. Hypocrisy has nothing to do with this.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Dreaming for sure. I highly doubt the government is going to run these programs and “save” the taxpayers money. Hahaha.

Just remember the only thing worse than a government monopoly is a private one.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/poi...107486?cmp=rss


There ya go, Pierre is a federal version of Smith. I'll say it again, Nobody gives a #### what you or any politician "thinks" or "feels" on this issue. These are medical decisions to be made by experts and their patients. You have less than zero credibility or expertise to make this decision. Please #### the hell off.


This country is turning right into a gaping crater of intolerance and ignorance being cheer-led by religious conservatives and nobody seems to give a ####.

Are there not a lot of doctors who are hesitant about using puberty blockers at that point because of a variety of risks?

Politicians are there to legislate. I don't like the fact that many are making a political issue out of this, but end of the day they legislate the laws in this country. So yes, it does matter what they think. Whether they choose to consult medial experts is another story.

HINT: Trudeau doesn't give a #### about anyone but himself, and his stance on this matter or any other is purely political as well, so I agree with Jacks, you are a hypocrite for making an issue here, and not there.

Issue is also not as black and white as you try to make it seem.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by GGG

Just remember the only thing worse than a government monopoly is a private one.

What about a private one that the government protects, i.e. multiple industries in Canada?

[TorqueDog]

There has to be a word for this... if rage bait is something designed to get people incensed, would 'rageturbating' be the act of indulging oneself in rage bait?

[sketchyt]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

There ya go, Pierre is a federal version of Smith.

I would love nothing more than to vote in a conservative (not Conservative) government. Pierre, Smith et al aren't it, that's for sure. It's pretty much right there with a bright neon sign.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Azure

Are there not a lot of doctors who are hesitant about using puberty blockers at that point because of a variety of risks?

Yes. Just as there are a lot of doctors hesitant to proceed with numerous other treatments under various circumstances. I trust a patient, their family, and their doctors (yes, usually multiple before any serious treatment) to arrive at a reasoned decision for their circumstance...much moreso than whatever lunacy that malignant #### Maliana arrives at from watching disingenuous youtube videos.

You want hypocrisy? How about doing this bull#### while contemporaneously trying to legitimize and expand the role of naturopaths?


And this is also a laughable violation of libertarian principles* (for lack of a better word). Is it not better to let people live with the consequences of their choices than deny them in the first place? Especially when the regret rate is nowhere near 50%? ####ing idiocy.

[TorqueDog]

I think we should just allow access to all kinds of stuff when it comes to hormones and so on. Over the counter, Mexico style. You want puberty blockers? Fill your boots. Hormones, steroids, prohormones, and other PEDs? Have at 'er.

Just open all of it up. If it's only affecting the person taking them then I fail to see the problem.

[calgarygeologist]

Why even waste your time with something so stupid Mr. Angus?

But C-372 goes well beyond merely banning advertising by oil and gas companies.

As a private member’s bill introduced by the member of a party with only 25 seats in the House of Commons, Bill C-372 has almost zero chance of passing. But as written, the act would technically apply to any Canadian who is found to be speaking well of the oil industry, or of oil generally.

“It is prohibited for a person to promote a fossil fuel, a fossil fuel-related brand element or the production of a fossil fuel,” reads the act.

Violate this as a regular citizen, and the act prescribes summary conviction and a fine of up to $500,000. Violate it as an oil company, and the punishment could be as strict as two years in jail or a fine of $1,000,000.

Angus defines “promotion” so broadly that it could technically apply to something as simple as a Facebook post or even an “I Love Canadian Oil and Gas” bumper sticker.

Promotion, according to Bill C-372, means “#a representation about a product or service by any means … that is likely to influence and shape attitudes, beliefs and behaviours about the product or service.#”

The act also criminalizes a laundry list of common pro-oil and gas arguments, even ones that have a reliable basis in fact.

Section 8 of the act makes it a crime for “a person” to argue that a fossil fuel is “less harmful than other fossil fuels.”

Natural gas, for instance, generates energy with far fewer emissions or pollutants than diesel, coal, bunker fuel or any number of “dirtier” fuels. This is why the federal government taxes natural gas at a lower benchmark than higher-emission fuels.

Nevertheless, according to C-372, anybody making such an argument should face a jail term of up to two years or a “fine not exceeding $500,000.”

As such, the section could conceivably prescribe jail terms for anybody arguing that the oil and gas sector is a key funder of the Canadian health-care system, or even that oil and gas is needed to operate ambulances and MedEvac flights.

Similarly, Canadians would face sanction for saying that the extraction and selling of oil is a net contributor to the country’s economy — a claim that is actually made quite often by the federal government itself. “Oil and gas extraction is an important contributor to the Canadian economy,” reads a recent report by Statistics Canada.

The bill would also bring the hammer down on the ability of Canadian gas stations to hold contests or issue loyalty cards.

Bill C-372 would make it illegal for a retailer to “provide or offer to provide any consideration for the purchase of a fossil fuel.”

Any contest offering “free gas” would also be criminalized, under the bill’s prohibition on offers to “furnish or offer to furnish a fossil fuel without monetary consideration.”

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/ndp...s-fossil-fuels

[Fuzz]

Ya, that's dumb. What world do some of these people live in?

[Johnny Makarov]

Eff off NDP! this 'brand' is what screwed us in Alberta.