Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I never know anymore, its probably a combination of both.

When did you know?

Personally I think it’s far more likely that the legislation was used in a way that it was not intended for, if for no other reason than if there had been some sort of collusion then the liberal party would have probably gotten caught by now given their track record.

We seem to have a lot of poorly crafted pieces of critical legislation, ethics is a joke with low penalties and little enforcement. The Lobbying is poor, and governments spend way too much time getting lobbied.

I don’t disagree with you on any of that, unfortunately a lack of ethics combined with low penalties(to put it generously) are rampant and par for the course in the corporate world.

I also think that these corporations helping to fund fund raising events and cash for access events needs to stop.

If only there were people trying to hold those corporations accountable who you could support with your ballot.

[The Fonz]

The Nazi thing is some major egg on face, but cripes, a scandal? Did anyone get hurt?

It was just a major ##### up. We don’t need to make this into more than it was. In terms of problems plaguing this country, this one does not even register for me. And I hate Trudeau (despite voting for him last election).

[CaptainCrunch]

When did you know?

As soon as Rota talked about his bravery in fighting the Russian's in WW2 Ukraine.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

As soon as Rota talked about his bravery in fighting the Russian's in WW2 Ukraine.

Oh come on Cap, we’ve chatted on here long enough for us to both know that you’ve been at least somewhat cynical since long before that ever happened lol.

I don’t mean that as an insult either, just because someone may be making a cynical comment it doesn’t necessarily mean that they’re wrong. Especially in this day and age.

[cral12]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1753426360679178570

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by Firebot

You can message the CBC, CTV, Globe and Mail, Global News, and all who reported this as front page news that it's no big deal and if you believe to be a non-story.

It shouldn't be a big deal, had Trudeau not tried to absolve himself and his office of all responsibilities of the commons incident at the time he could have made amends correctly and instead put all blame squarely on Anthony Rota, who was used as a scapegoat. Let's also not forget that we had a foreign head of state who has been the target of multiple assassinations in the middle of a war and which guests would have very close contact with, as this photo shows.




A reminder of the PMO's stance upon the reveal.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ant...logy-1.6977117



Did not know about Hunka's presence supposedly yet sent him a PM invite by name 4 days prior. C'mon now, they simply didn't do their diligence, pointed fingers when politically expedient and why the new reveal is a story.

Man, the media loves to make something out of nothing.

Speaker invites Hunka to Parliament for visit. Some staffer in his office sends an email out that this person will be a special guest of the speaker for the events in the House.

Staffer from the Office of Protocol, seeing the speaker's guest, sends out form invitation to the event.

There is no bombshell here that JT had any clue who this guy was anymore than the 999 other guests, it doesn't event prove the PMO knew, the invitation was from the Office of Protocol, the coordination branch for events involving foreign dignitaries. It makes perfect sense that Rota invited him, didn't vet him properly, and then he got invited to this mass reception, all without any involvement of the Prime Minister or his office directly.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Firebot

You can message the CBC, CTV, Globe and Mail, Global News, and all who reported this as front page news that it's no big deal and if you believe to be a non-story.

It shouldn't be a big deal, had Trudeau not tried to absolve himself and his office of all responsibilities of the commons incident at the time he could have made amends correctly and instead put all blame squarely on Anthony Rota, who was used as a scapegoat. Let's also not forget that we had a foreign head of state who has been the target of multiple assassinations in the middle of a war and which guests would have very close contact with, as this photo shows.


A reminder of the PMO's stance upon the reveal.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ant...logy-1.6977117



Did not know about Hunka's presence supposedly yet sent him a PM invite by name 4 days prior. C'mon now, they simply didn't do their diligence, pointed fingers when politically expedient and why the new reveal is a story.

Read the story a little more: Nothing in the story said the PMO's office had "nothing to do with it". They said the DECISION to invite him was Rota's.

And all invites are by name. I've got a letter to my dad from Brian Mulroney, from the internment compensation. I doubt Mulroney, or the PMO vetted my dad before sending him a personal letter.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

The Nazi thing is some major egg on face, but cripes, a scandal? Did anyone get hurt?

It was just a major ##### up. We don’t need to make this into more than it was. In terms of problems plaguing this country, this one does not even register for me. And I hate Trudeau (despite voting for him last election).

I personally prefer for it to be brought up a minimum of every 3 months so we can all proceed to #### on Trudeau again for a week or so, and then move on.

[chemgear]

Haha. Maybe this time.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/poli...armacare-deal/

Deal to prop up Liberals will be off if Ottawa doesn’t meet pharmacare deadline, Jagmeet Singh says

February 6, 2024



https://globalnews.ca/news/9423649/n...ingh-deal/amp/

Singh says no pharmacare bill this year could break NDP’s deal with Liberals

January 19, 2023

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by belsarius

Man, the media loves to make something out of nothing.

Speaker invites Hunka to Parliament for visit. Some staffer in his office sends an email out that this person will be a special guest of the speaker for the events in the House.

Staffer from the Office of Protocol, seeing the speaker's guest, sends out form invitation to the event.

There is no bombshell here that JT had any clue who this guy was anymore than the 999 other guests, it doesn't event prove the PMO knew, the invitation was from the Office of Protocol, the coordination branch for events involving foreign dignitaries. It makes perfect sense that Rota invited him, didn't vet him properly, and then he got invited to this mass reception, all without any involvement of the Prime Minister or his office directly.

Shocking (but not that shocking really) that the outrage chamber can't conceive of how these things actually work.

I would imagine that somewhere in this process the guest list also goes to CSIS/RCMP for a security check. Probably a cursory process in this case, but likely enough that anybody with a criminal record or CSIS file would get flagged and reviewed in more detail. It seems Hunka didn't manage to get up to a whole bunch of dastardly stuff in the last ~78 years...but maybe he was just biding his time? Or maybe his character and actions over that span are more relevant than finding himself on the wrong side of a geographical line at the wrong age.


I also find it funny how these 'history buffs' find 'fighting against the Russians' to be such a slam dunk demonstrating...anything. The western powers "alliance" with Russia was never anything more than enemy of enemy = friend. Which somewhat ironically is the exact situation Hunka and his compatriots found themselves in with Nazi Germany (though admittedly there may be more nuance there, but not enough for me to GAF what an 18 year old Ukrainian did in 1943).

There was plenty of Cold War posturing before WWII ended (in fact one of the often overlooked reasons behind Hiroshima/Nagasaki - not sure if they covered that in Oppenheimer as I haven't seen it). One could even argue that from a western/Canadian standpoint it was preferable for Russia to face some degree of resistance once the tide had really turned on the Germans.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by chemgear

Haha. Maybe this time.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/poli...armacare-deal/

Deal to prop up Liberals will be off if Ottawa doesn’t meet pharmacare deadline, Jagmeet Singh says

February 6, 2024



https://globalnews.ca/news/9423649/n...ingh-deal/amp/

Singh says no pharmacare bill this year could break NDP’s deal with Liberals

January 19, 2023

You’re aware that could and will are 2 different words with different meanings right?

[Street Pharmacist]

National Pharmacare is so much more complicated than they even know. I'm not sure there's a workable solution without nuking the budget

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

National Pharmacare is so much more complicated than they even know. I'm not sure there's a workable solution without nuking the budget

The transition period(assuming it ever happens) will be tricky but it seems like it should be a manageable program over the long run considering most(all?) provinces already provide coverage for seniors and in some cases children.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

National Pharmacare is so much more complicated than they even know. I'm not sure there's a workable solution without nuking the budget

Should also be done on a provincial level.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Azure

Should also be done on a provincial level.

I'm quite biased, but I think BC's means tested Fair Pharmacare is ideal. Make under 30k and you'll get help right away. Make 100k and your deductible is 6k. That way no one goes broke paying for drugs, but you're not stuck paying for medications for everyone.

Having said that, it's a) expensive, b) includes both drugs and pharmacy services, c) complicated. To nationalize, you'd first have to harmonize the formularies and that means telling a bunch of people that the meds they're on are no longer covered. That would cause hell. Next you're disappointing all the working people who thought this meant they'd have coverage.

In the end it'll be expensive and no one will be happy with the result, and you'll take political beatings for over promising and under delivering, yet still increasing the budget by billions

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

I'm quite biased, but I think BC's means tested Fair Pharmacare is ideal. Make under 30k and you'll get help right away. Make 100k and your deductible is 6k. That way no one goes broke paying for drugs, but you're not stuck paying for medications for everyone.

Having said that, it's a) expensive, b) includes both drugs and pharmacy services, c) complicated. To nationalize, you'd first have to harmonize the formularies and that means telling a bunch of people that the meds they're on are no longer covered. That would cause hell. Next you're disappointing all the working people who thought this meant they'd have coverage.

In the end it'll be expensive and no one will be happy with the result, and you'll take political beatings for over promising and under delivering, yet still increasing the budget by billions

Ultimately it shouldn't cost much. Private plans get deducted from paycheques, but those plans wouldn't be needed to cover drugs, so they should be much cheaper. That vacates financial space, so taxes could go up to fill that space. There, you've now got more income stream to pay for it. Without insurance company middle men siphoning off dollars costs can come down.



I think the goal should be to simplify as much as possible, remove all the layers that have been built up over decades and run one program for all Canadians.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

I'm quite biased, but I think BC's means tested Fair Pharmacare is ideal. Make under 30k and you'll get help right away. Make 100k and your deductible is 6k. That way no one goes broke paying for drugs, but you're not stuck paying for medications for everyone.

What happens if you make between 30K & 100K?

[Maritime Q-Scout]

I'd prefer a national program to provincial. But ultimately, I don't think someone should have to worry about paying for medication if they're diagnosed with something like MS.

They don't know what causes it. There isn't anything you can do to prevent it. Yet, your medication costs 5 figures a year.

It's bull####.

We as Canadians like to brag about how no one goes bankrupt if they get sick. But that's not entirely true.

Better pray your job or spouse has a good plan, otherwise you're screwed.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

In the end it'll be expensive and no one will be happy with the result, and you'll take political beatings for over promising and under delivering, yet still increasing the budget by billions

You don’t think the over 20% of Canadians who currently have no coverage would be happy to finally have coverage?

[Nufy]

Originally Posted by chemgear

Haha. Maybe this time.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/poli...armacare-deal/

Deal to prop up Liberals will be off if Ottawa doesn’t meet pharmacare deadline, Jagmeet Singh says

February 6, 2024



https://globalnews.ca/news/9423649/n...ingh-deal/amp/

Singh says no pharmacare bill this year could break NDP’s deal with Liberals

January 19, 2023

March 19 'We really mean it this time..."


June 22 " Do I have to turn this country around and go home ?" Because I will if you dont start listening...