2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Higginson03]

Trade Tanev for a late first
Trade Vladar for a 4th or whatever you can get and call up Wolf

Hate to break up Kadri, Zary and Pospsil but I think a Shara - Kadri - Kuz line would be pretty skilled and fun to watch and probably best best bet to get Kuz back on track as a 30 goal scorer

Keep backs line to do heavy lifting as per usual

Put Huberdeau with the kids and if they can’t inject some life into him, play him on 4th line like we did with Lucic for next 7 years and put Coronato into his spot and runs kids line

We would have 3 first rd picks, draft couple centers and a defender in 1st rd

Sharangovich - Kadri - Kuzmenko

Mangiapane - Backlund - Coleman

Huberdeau - Zary - Pelletier

Pospisil - Schwindt - Coronato




Hanifin - Andersson

Kylington - Weegar

Gilbert - Pachal



Markstrom

Wolf

[Calgary4LIfe]

Bourque (and Stankoven especially) look like high-skilled players, but I wouldn't target either of them in a trade for as a centre. Stankoven is 5'8", so will he likely be a centre in the NHL? Bourque is 5'10". I would guess that both will transition to the wing.


I don't think there is any weirdness going on with Bourque not getting any NHL games yet. Dallas is a fairly good team, and this is only his 2nd pro season. He will probably see some NHL games this year if there are injuries, otherwise I would peg him to get longer looks next season, unless Dallas doesn't see him as an NHL'er.


What is impressive is that they both lead the lead in points - Stankoven #1, Bourque #2, and funny enough, Jankowski #3.



Bourque's points aren't outrageous.

Rookie year: 70GP, 47Pts
This year: 41GP, 47Pts


Comparing him to Coronato, Dube, Pelletier for rookie seasons would see Bourque ranked 4th, as all the above were PPG (though only Pelletier played a full season in the AHL, so you have to go by P%). Jankowski led his team in points as a rookie.


The best comparable on the Flames is actually Mangiapane - they have eerily similar numbers for both years.



It does make me want to watch some more Texas Stars games and see how they are together. Anyone know if they play on the same line? They are both listed as centres. I wonder if one (or both?) have been moved to the wing. If they play together, who is the catalyst? If they don't play together, who is getting the prime opportunities?



Either way, if the Flames are trading for one of them, I would look at them as wingers rather than centres, though there are exceptions in the NHL. Brayden Pointe is a great example, as he is only 5'10" as well, so it will be interesting to see what position they end up playing when they make it to the NHL. Conroy stated that Coronato is a winger, not a centre, at the NHL level, and that's due to size apparently - Coronato is also 5'10".



As an aside, I wonder why Conroy doesn't have much of a belief in Zary being a centre. The way he handles the puck and make solid defensive plays, along with his vision - I see a centre. He isn't slow or undersized either. At times he seems more like a centre than Kadri does. He looks like the most promising prospect to eventually become a top 6 centre. I still hope he gets a look at centre this season and next. Centre is definitely the biggest hole in the prospect pool.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

As an aside, I wonder why Conroy doesn't have much of a belief in Zary being a centre. The way he handles the puck and make solid defensive plays, along with his vision - I see a centre. He isn't slow or undersized either. At times he seems more like a centre than Kadri does. He looks like the most promising prospect to eventually become a top 6 centre. I still hope he gets a look at centre this season and next. Centre is definitely the biggest hole in the prospect pool.

Yeah I found this kind of strange too. It seemed like he though Pospisil was a better fit as a center.
Curious what his criteria is. I thought it might be strength but Zary has proven very solid on his skates and his stick with some of his plays.

Conroy did make comments about him improving his consistency at this level. Maybe he thinks his conditioning isn't quite there.

Or maybe he's trying to piss in his cornflakes abit to push him. Conroy commented that Zary has some edge in that sense. He would want to prove he could do it.

[Meelapo]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

It does make me want to watch some more Texas Stars games and see how they are together. Anyone know if they play on the same line? They are both listed as centres. I wonder if one (or both?) have been moved to the wing. If they play together, who is the catalyst? If they don't play together, who is getting the prime opportunities?

I believe they play on the same line together as Stankoven plays RW too.

https://www.eliteprospects.com/playe...ogan-stankoven

And for the 23-24 season, Bourque has been his linemate for 101 goal events (goals for/against) which is the most goal events for any player Stankoven has played with.

https://www.ahltracker.com/skaters/9771/linemates

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Bourque (and Stankoven especially) look like high-skilled players, but I wouldn't target either of them in a trade for as a centre. Stankoven is 5'8", so will he likely be a centre in the NHL? Bourque is 5'10". I would guess that both will transition to the wing.


I don't think there is any weirdness going on with Bourque not getting any NHL games yet. Dallas is a fairly good team, and this is only his 2nd pro season. He will probably see some NHL games this year if there are injuries, otherwise I would peg him to get longer looks next season, unless Dallas doesn't see him as an NHL'er.


What is impressive is that they both lead the lead in points - Stankoven #1, Bourque #2, and funny enough, Jankowski #3.



Bourque's points aren't outrageous.

Rookie year: 70GP, 47Pts
This year: 41GP, 47Pts


Comparing him to Coronato, Dube, Pelletier for rookie seasons would see Bourque ranked 4th, as all the above were PPG (though only Pelletier played a full season in the AHL, so you have to go by P%). Jankowski led his team in points as a rookie.


The best comparable on the Flames is actually Mangiapane - they have eerily similar numbers for both years.



It does make me want to watch some more Texas Stars games and see how they are together. Anyone know if they play on the same line? They are both listed as centres. I wonder if one (or both?) have been moved to the wing. If they play together, who is the catalyst? If they don't play together, who is getting the prime opportunities?



Either way, if the Flames are trading for one of them, I would look at them as wingers rather than centres, though there are exceptions in the NHL. Brayden Pointe is a great example, as he is only 5'10" as well, so it will be interesting to see what position they end up playing when they make it to the NHL. Conroy stated that Coronato is a winger, not a centre, at the NHL level, and that's due to size apparently - Coronato is also 5'10".



As an aside, I wonder why Conroy doesn't have much of a belief in Zary being a centre. The way he handles the puck and make solid defensive plays, along with his vision - I see a centre. He isn't slow or undersized either. At times he seems more like a centre than Kadri does. He looks like the most promising prospect to eventually become a top 6 centre. I still hope he gets a look at centre this season and next. Centre is definitely the biggest hole in the prospect pool.

Is it Conroy or is it Huska? He’s the guy who writes the lineup

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Knut

Like the post but Amirov is not in the KHL. He passed away from a brain tumour

Oh shoot, I remember that now. That's a heart breaker.

[AFireInside]

Originally Posted by Higginson03

Trade Tanev for a late first
Trade Vladar for a 4th or whatever you can get and call up Wolf

Hate to break up Kadri, Zary and Pospsil but I think a Shara - Kadri - Kuz line would be pretty skilled and fun to watch and probably best best bet to get Kuz back on track as a 30 goal scorer

Keep backs line to do heavy lifting as per usual

Put Huberdeau with the kids and if they can’t inject some life into him, play him on 4th line like we did with Lucic for next 7 years and put Coronato into his spot and runs kids line

We would have 3 first rd picks, draft couple centers and a defender in 1st rd

Sharangovich - Kadri - Kuzmenko

Mangiapane - Backlund - Coleman

Huberdeau - Zary - Pelletier

Pospisil - Schwindt - Coronato




Hanifin - Andersson

Kylington - Weegar

Gilbert - Pachal



Markstrom

Wolf

Have to leave one of Sharangovich or Kuzemenko with Huberdeau. Huberdeau and Sharangovich were great together, I don't understand why we keep trying to break them up.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

I think that might even be pushing it. The history of the Flames retaining contracts is pretty limited, to one player and that was David Rittich to the amount of around $350K. Even if you were to bring buyouts into the mix, the Flames have not been huge in using that mechanism, riding players out with big hits (see Lucic). The Flames buyout history is limited to 8 players; Nigel Dawes ($141,667 x 2 seasons), Shane O'Brien ($666,667 x 2 seasons), Mason Raymond ($1.05M x 2 seasons), Ryan Murphy ($137,500 x 2 seasons), Lance Bouma ($766,667 x 2 seasons), Troy Brouwer ($1.5M x 4 seasons), and Michael Stone ($1.667M x 2 seasons). I think if they are talking retention the amount they ate on buyouts is probably a good guideline to use as a max as that is what was approved in the past and should set expectations as to what they are thinking of eating. Still very skeptical if they would retain on a player beyond this season and for a large amount of money.

Buy out history on Capfirendly is for premium accounts only, but doing some googling, there was an article a couple years ago that had the Devils as the top team at 11, so I would probably guess that that 8 puts Calgary in the top 3rd of teams that have bought out contracts.

Point being I think that this team has no issues using retention and buyouts. I think it is just more of an issue of them being buyers more than sellers over that last 10 years, particularly when the cap has been flat. Buyers don't typically retain.

[bax]

Getting Stankoven in a Tanev trade would be a dream. People were clamoring for the Flames to take him in the second a few years back and they went Stromgren instead

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by bax

Getting Stankoven in a Tanev trade would be a dream. People were clamoring for the Flames to take him in the second a few years back and they went Stromgren instead

Stankoven is likely not available for even Hanifin.

Tanev is worth a first, Stankoven is listed as the Hockey News # 6 ranked drafted prospect.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Can't quote you DeluxeMoustache for some reason..


The "Zary not a center" thing came from Conroy's appearance on the Barn Burner show. Maybe I misunderstood it, but it felt like Conroy was speaking from his own point of view about Zary (and Pospisil) not being a centre.

[Toonage]

Not only has Conroy mentioned that he doesn't see Zary as a C at this level but Huska has also said that he sees Zary's path to success in the NHL on the wing.

He won't be a C here is what I take from all that.

[Ped]

Well, the coaches who have seen Zary up close are probably the best judges, but when Petterson came into the league I seem to remember a lot of people assuming he would end up on the wing and then the coach (Green?) just put him at center and he excelled.


Maybe Zary's future is on the wing, but with Lindholm gone, why not try him out for a bit down the middle?

[stemit14]

Unless the flames trade an extended Hanifin to Dallas, I don’t think they will get Bourque or Stankoven. Even then, it might be tough to get either of them. I could see them getting a prospect like Liam Bichsel who was picked 18th overall in 2022. Him along with a 1st + 2nd round pick is probably a reasonable return for Hanifin as a rental. If Tanev is traded to Dallas, at most I think it’s a first round pick and that would be a fantastic return for Tanev.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Can't quote you DeluxeMoustache for some reason..


The "Zary not a center" thing came from Conroy's appearance on the Barn Burner show. Maybe I misunderstood it, but it felt like Conroy was speaking from his own point of view about Zary (and Pospisil) not being a centre.

Conroy watches the Wranglers a lot. Was Zary been playing C down there (last year or whatever)? Maybe that's where it comes from.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Can't quote you DeluxeMoustache for some reason..


The "Zary not a center" thing came from Conroy's appearance on the Barn Burner show. Maybe I misunderstood it, but it felt like Conroy was speaking from his own point of view about Zary (and Pospisil) not being a centre.

I understood the reference, as Conroy felt the time was not yet right to place the rookies in the center position (i.e. short term)

Its more of let them develop on the wings,

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by flambers

I understood the reference, as Conroy felt the time was not yet right to place the rookies in the center position (i.e. short term)

Its more of let them develop on the wings,

That is the general sense I got out of the comment. Zary is still a rookie, no need to throw him to the wolves as he is still learning the NHL game. Does Zary think he can? Sure he does, but I think after the Bennet experiment at center they, they may tread a little more carefully.

[The Fonz]

I've got an uncomfortable feeling with Tanev & Hanifin dressing for anymore games. Injury risk is too high.

[Sofa GM]

So things are falling apart for the Kings, and it screams that PLD is the issue. Anyone have an appetite for a PLD/Huberdeau swap?

TO LAK
Huberdeau
Markstrom ($2MM retained)

To CGY
PLD
2024 1st
Jakub Dvorak

[dieHARDflameZ]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

So things are falling apart for the Kings, and it screams that PLD is the issue. Anyone have an appetite for a PLD/Huberdeau swap?

TO LAK
Huberdeau
Markstrom ($2MM retained)

To CGY
PLD
2024 1st
Jakub Dvorak

No thank you.

PLD is a cancer.