2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by D as in David

Can Tanev with retention get Mavrik Bourque out of Dallas? What if the Flames add a 3rd or later round pick? Or a Flames' winger prospect?

I doubt it, he’s a top level prospect. But he’d be a great get for sure.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by D as in David

Can Tanev with retention get Mavrik Bourque out of Dallas? What if the Flames add a 3rd or later round pick? Or a Flames' winger prospect?

Probably more of a hanifin return...

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I doubt it, he’s a top level prospect. But he’d be a great get for sure.

Is he a top prospect? He was drafted 4 years ago and hasn't played a single NHL game yet. Did he have some set backs or something?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Is he a top prospect? He was drafted 4 years ago and hasn't played a single NHL yet. Did he have some set backs or something?

I think it is more of their depth chart. They seem to be following the old Detroit model of the 90's where they don't mind letting their prospects overcook in the minors.

[dammage79]

Mercer and the Devils 2024 1st for Max retained Markstrom and Tanev?

That's 3 million for the next two seasons on Marky. Is Mercer worth a 3m a year Marky? Is Mercer worth eating 3 million of salary cap over the next two seasons? I think the Flames would think so.
I could argue that the Devils might think so. That stabilizes your next during some prime years of this young core. The 1st for a max retained Tanev fits.

Edit: maybe having Tanev go with him may aid in Markstrom in waiving.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Is he a top prospect? He was drafted 4 years ago and hasn't played a single NHL yet. Did he have some set backs or something?

He just turned 22, and the hockey news has him currently ranked #13 of drafted prospects.

[Aarongavey]

I wonder if now that Askarov is knocking on the door if the Preds try to get a haul for Saros.

[Flames1217]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Mercer and the Devils 2024 1st for Max retained Markstrom and Tanev?

That's 3 million for the next two seasons on Marky. Is Mercer worth a 3m a year Marky? Is Mercer worth eating 3 million of salary cap over the next two seasons? I think the Flames would think so.
I could argue that the Devils might think so. That stabilizes your next during some prime years of this young core. The 1st for a max retained Tanev fits.

Edit: maybe having Tanev go with him may aid in Markstrom in waiving.

If Mercer is even a consideration for Markstrom Conroy is going to accept that immediately.

Mercer is 22, shoots right, is responsible in his own zone and may have 1C potential. His floor is 1RW/2C at the moment.

I would accept Markstrom (retained) + Tanev (retained) + something else for Mercer alone.

Doubt he would be on the table even if he is a luxury at the moment for the devils.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I wonder if now that Askarov is knocking on the door if the Preds try to get a haul for Saros.

Hard to know. Let summer, the Predators were purportedly offering Askarov to move up in the draft.

[Shazam]

When Tanev gets traded who's going to first to post "Great Trade Tanev"?

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Mercer and the Devils 2024 1st for Max retained Markstrom and Tanev?

That's 3 million for the next two seasons on Marky. Is Mercer worth a 3m a year Marky? Is Mercer worth eating 3 million of salary cap over the next two seasons? I think the Flames would think so.
I could argue that the Devils might think so. That stabilizes your next during some prime years of this young core. The 1st for a max retained Tanev fits.

Edit: maybe having Tanev go with him may aid in Markstrom in waiving.

Highly doubt the Devils are giving up two prime assets when they're not even a lock to make the playoffs this year. I could see them having interest in Markstrom but seems more like an off season move.

[Poe969]

Markstrom to the devils makes too much sense. I can't see them giving up Mercer, if they are though, give the what they want. I would ask for an unprotected first for Markstrom at 50% maybe they give another prospect or conditional pick.

Flames get worse because they don't have Markstrom and hopefully he goes there and craps the bed and they tank! If the Flames can trade Vladar, ask for one of their goalies.

[stemit14]

Would be fantastic to get a player like Mercer. I really doubt that will happen though… I can’t remember the last time any team traded a young roster player that was a former first round pick that is still on pace to develop into a solid 2nd line/1st line player. It just does not happen often anymore. And that ok… I’ll be very happy to focus on getting first round picks as the centrepiece of any trades.

I know many like to call them “magic beans” but I don’t care… they won’t feel like “magic beans” if the flames are able to package multiple late first round/second round picks to hopefully move up in the draft and potentially make two picks in the top half of the first round. The flames seem to be doing much better over the last few years with amateur scouting and with developing players… I’ll be happy to see them trust their scouting instead of prioritizing getting former picks of other teams.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Is he a top prospect? He was drafted 4 years ago and hasn't played a single NHL game yet. Did he have some set backs or something?

With his stats and progression, it suggests Zary as a comp

[Sandman]

Wow, Mavrik Bourque has 48 points in 41 games in the AHL this year.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

With his stats and progression, it suggests Zary as a comp

I was thinking the same thing. Zary was drafted in 2020, like 7 spots ahead of Bourque. At the beginning of the season, I considered Zary a good prospect, but not a top prospect.

I feel like Zary really had to get in this year to progress into an NHL player, and he also had set backs along the way. Almost every 1st rounder from the 2020 draft plays in the NHL now. The only players who haven't played at all yet are Bourque (great in the AHL), Weisblatt (bombing bad), and Amirov (tragically passed away). If Zary didn't make it this season, I would have had some serious doubts about his future.

Maybe someone can point out some examples of players drafted out of the junior system that don't make the NHL until 5 years after they are drafted or at the age of 23, and go on to be star players worthy of being considered "top prospects" at that time. I can't think if any off the top of my head, but I am guessing it can happen.

Someone said that Dallas likes to let the prospects over ripen, which could be the case for him specifically, but they have graduated others in recent years, ones drafted even more recently.

Hintz made the team in his 3rd year after being drafted.
Robertson made the team 2 years after being drafted.
Dellandrea made the team 2 years after being drafted.
Johnston made the team 1 year after being drafted.
Heiskanen made the team 1 year after being drafted.
Harley made it on the team 2 years after he was drafted.
Lundqvist was on the team 2 years after he was drafted.

Maybe there is a good reason they need to take the long game with Bourque, but personally don't see the Stars as a team that holds players in the minors to over ripen.

Not saying I wouldn't want to give Bourque a chance on the Flames. I can't help but think there are reasons why players around him have graduated and he hasn't. If it is Radek Faksa in his way, then that is pretty poor asset management from a team that typically manages themselves well.

[FBI]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Wow, Mavrik Bourque has 48 points in 41 games in the AHL this year.

Yeah but remember Coronato is tearing up the ahl too and we haven’t seen TOO much at nhl yet.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Between kuzmenko, pelletier and kylington progressing, I'm actually very intrigued fo see the team on the ice after the break.

Even if just for evaluation's sake.

[Knut]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I was thinking the same thing. Zary was drafted in 2020, like 7 spots ahead of Bourque. At the beginning of the season, I considered Zary a good prospect, but not a top prospect.

I feel like Zary really had to get in this year to progress into an NHL player, and he also had set backs along the way. Almost every 1st rounder from the 2020 draft plays in the NHL now. The only players who haven't played at all yet are Bourque (great in the AHL), Weisblatt (bombing bad), and Amirov (plays in Russia). If Zary didn't make it this season, I would have had some serious doubts about his future.

Maybe someone can point out some examples of players drafted out of the junior system that don't make the NHL until 5 years after they are drafted or at the age of 23, and go on to be star players worthy of being considered "top prospects" at that time. I can't think if any off the top of my head, but I am guessing it can happen.

Someone said that Dallas likes to let the prospects over ripen, which could be the case for him specifically, but they have graduated others in recent years, ones drafted even more recently.

Hintz made the team in his 3rd year after being drafted.
Robertson made the team 2 years after being drafted.
Dellandrea made the team 2 years after being drafted.
Johnston made the team 1 year after being drafted.
Heiskanen made the team 1 year after being drafted.
Harley made it on the team 2 years after he was drafted.
Lundqvist was on the team 2 years after he was drafted.

Maybe there is a good reason they need to take the long game with Bourque, but personally don't see the Stars as a team that holds players in the minors to over ripen.

Not saying I wouldn't want to give Bourque a chance on the Flames. I can't help but think there are reasons why players around him have graduated and he hasn't. If it is Radek Faksa in his way, then that is pretty poor asset management from a team that typically manages themselves well.

Like the post but Amirov is not in the KHL. He passed away from a brain tumour

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Between kuzmenko, pelletier and kylington progressing, I'm actually very intrigued fo see the team on the ice after the break.

Even if just for evaluation's sake.

I’m the same. Not sure what the line combos will be. It would be a shame to break up the Kadri and Backlund lines. But we don’t have enough centers.

It’ll be even harder to figure out if they trade tanev and hanifin.