Hart, McLeod, Dube, Foote, Formenton charged with sexual assault

[CFO]

NHL needs to move to non guaranteed contracts.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

Mike Richards contract was terminated when he was only charged, it's doable.

Mike Richards' contract was terminated for something he did while on the team.

And he was paid a signing bonus by the Flames, so he was an employee in 2018.

He did no work for them that season. They had a contract for his future services, but he had not yet reported for work. What he did was not on the Flames' time.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by CFO

NHL needs to move to non guaranteed contracts.

That will happen when pigs fly and unions are outlawed.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

That will happen when pigs fly and unions are outlawed.

The door was opened with the Perry situation and the PA did nothing about it
I think that puts non guaranteed contracts squarely on the table for the next CBA
May not materialize but it should be a larger bargaining chip than ever

[getbak]

Originally Posted by all in good time

the door was opened with the perry situation and the pa did nothing about it
i think that puts non guaranteed contracts squarely on the table for the next cba
may not materialize but it should be a larger bargaining chip than ever

https://twitter.com/user/status/1753500903242375439

[Weitz]

^. Same tweet

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by getbak

https://twitter.com/user/status/1753500903242375439

Why is it taking so long?
Pretty weird all the way around
This could just strengthen the league’s position
What could possibly happen?
Put Perry back on Chicago?

[manwiches]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

I doubt they would charge the pizza guy unless he participated

All these guys committed sexual assaults according to the charged

I wrote in the Dube thread, but my best friend is a criminal defense attorney in Calgary. He said that even the pizza guy could be charged, and it be used as a tactic to squeeze him to flip.

Ultimately charged does not equal conviction or guilt. That's up to the prosecutors to decide if they have the evidence to proceed.

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[stang]

Originally Posted by iamca

I apologize for being out of the Canadian media loop, however one of my close friends who still lives in Calgary, mentioned seeing a story about a year ago on CBC (I could have got the network incorrect) about this incident.

One of the jaw dropping moments was when she said that this news story had an unnamed source with his face blurred and voice disguised, state facts about the initial incident and then the other 4 players coming into the room and participating in the assault.

If there are other witnesses that can corroborate the incident, it seems like a huge deal to me.


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I posted the video earlier in this thread but I think the guy with face blurred was talking about having seen the 2003 wj video.

The fact we have multiple incidents easily mixed up is disgusting

[jar_e]

Originally Posted by getbak

https://twitter.com/user/status/1753500903242375439

Perry should not be able to sign with a new club and then retroactively file a grievance against Chicago. So if he wins the grievance, he’s going to double dip and get paid by both teams?

How the NHL doesn’t have mandatory appeal windows set in place is ridiculous and in no way should he have been allowed to sign new contracts until those windows close.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by jar_e

Perry should not be able to sign with a new club and then retroactively file a grievance against Chicago. So if he wins the grievance, he’s going to double dip and get paid by both teams?

Yes, as he is entitled to if he wins the grievance.

You are effectively suggesting that people who file for wrongful dismissal can't work until that proceeding is resolved.

[combustiblefuel]

I have been super hesitant to post my experience with similar investigations...
It's an event in my life I have really repested. It was a terrible year as a 18 year old.


I had a girl who said I Sexualed assaulted her . Straight out raped her. Full stop. Hard to write that. We did do things for sure but I was shy at that age . I put the brakes on past 3rd base. I had to go thru one of the most tough times I ever. I was 18 and she was 17 so the initial stages really were tough to digest as I was considered a adult vs child.

Ultimately through the investigation if was found out I was not the only kid she had done this to but twitter face book and social media wasn't really a thing. My life wasn't ruined just because of a allegation. A year later I met my wife for the last 15 years . I think the public opinion court should wait and see what comes out. Reported as gangg rape but maybe their is gang rape or 1 guy did it. I don't know . I wasn't there. Had social media been for front with gossip at the time I'd probably had killed myself.


The point being I personally will reserve judgement untill an official verdict. I never did what I was accused of . I randomly one day at work got a call , on the businesses own line that they were dropping it and why may rank as one of the best days of my life.

I didn't do a thing wrong and luckily the real truth came out before the charges stage but still... I want tonsee the trial before jumping on guilty or not.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Macindoc

And yet the Hawks can get Corey Perry's contract voided even though he isn't charged with any crime, just so he can sign with the Oilers.



You can't make this stuff up, the NHL is truly stranger than fiction.

Perry is also appealing it.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Perry is also appealing it.

Doesn’t stop Chicago from benefiting from getting out of his cap hit or Edmonton from benefiting from signing him on the cheap. If he also gets his $$ it only adds to the nudge-nudge wink-wink appearance of his move to Edmonton that benefits two of the NHL’s most favoured teams. While the Flames are stuck with Dube’s cap hit until his contract expires.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

Yes, as he is entitled to if he wins the grievance.

You are effectively suggesting that people who file for wrongful dismissal can't work until that proceeding is resolved.

No, he's suggesting that professional athletes in a competitive league where salary cap matters should have their grievance resolved before playing for another competing team in that same league. Don't pretend it's just a standard wrongful dismissal suit lol

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Macindoc

Doesn’t stop Chicago from benefiting from getting out of his cap hit or Edmonton from benefiting from signing him on the cheap. If he also gets his $$ it only adds to the nudge-nudge wink-wink appearance of his move to Edmonton that benefits two of the NHL’s most favoured teams. While the Flames are stuck with Dube’s cap hit until his contract expires.

I don't understand this continued narrative that chicago got out of something with Perry? It was a one year $4mil contract. Chicago was looking to compete for a lottery pick, not spend to the cap, and perry was contributing exactly as he has in recent years. He was exactly what they signed and wanted.

I have no idea why this keeps being brought up like they needed or wanted out for cap reasons.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by Groot

No, he's suggesting that professional athletes in a competitive league where salary cap matters should have their grievance resolved before playing for another competing team in that same league. Don't pretend it's just a standard wrongful dismissal suit lol

Non guaranteed contracts would make this aspect of the exercise much easier to navigate

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Mike Richards' contract was terminated for something he did while on the team.



He did no work for them that season. They had a contract for his future services, but he had not yet reported for work. What he did was not on the Flames' time.

So you are saying he signed a contract, was paid a signing bonus, but isn't bound by the morality clauses of that agreement until he is actually drawing his annual salary? Is he bound by the terms of the contract about staying in shape?

He allegedly committed sexual assault while in the Flames system and with a valid contract.

What is the possible downside of considering his contract terminated and not paying him? He files a grievance and you lose and have to pay him. Heck, even suspend him without pay while the court proceedings unfold. Do something other than bury your head in the sand.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

So you are saying he signed a contract, was paid a signing bonus, but isn't bound by the morality clauses of that agreement until he is actually drawing his annual salary? Is he bound by the terms of the contract about staying in shape?

He allegedly committed sexual assault while in the Flames system and with a valid contract.

What is the possible downside of considering his contract terminated and not paying him? He files a grievance and you lose and have to pay him. Heck, even suspend him without pay while the court proceedings unfold. Do something other than bury your head in the sand.

Do we honestly believe they're not looking into this?

That Murray Edwards would prefer to pay him the rest of his contract for love of the human?

This is akin to thinking a duck on a pond is just floating because you can't see his feet moving 1000 mph.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by CFO

NHL needs to move to non guaranteed contracts.

So basically everyone is signed for one year?

Forget a salary cap. And UFA even sooner.

And teams moving from Calgary, Winnipeg, Ottawa etc.