Hart, McLeod, Dube, Foote, Formenton charged with sexual assault

[Locke]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Don't think was grilled. He made it a point to make a statement. Which was handled well I think. Don't much care for Bettman but it seemed fine.

I thought he was fine. At the end of the day the NHL can essentially wash its hands of this.

Not their event and not their players.

This is squarely on the players and Hockey Canada.

[ReinhartonD]

I read the transcript by Virtanen's accuser and it was not pleasant. He ended up not being convicted but the Canucks bought out his contract because they would have been trashed locally had they not. Still, the Oilers gave him a PTO and had he been more talented he'd be toiling for the Greasers now as well as their current cast of stellar citizens. Seems they look for damaged goods on the bargain bin as their modus operandi.

[activeStick]

Daly and Bettman also confirmed that the NHL teams were in the dark from the moment the news broke regarding the incident and were less informed than the NHL were throughout. Teams had no access to the information in the reports. The only thing they may have known would have been what the players told them and that the NHL did not give them any ongoing reports as the investigation was unfolding.

[lazypucker]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Daly and Bettman also confirmed that the NHL teams were in the dark from the moment the news broke regarding the incident and were less informed than the NHL were throughout. Teams had no access to the information in the reports. The only thing they may have known would have been what the players told them and that the NHL did not give them any ongoing reports as the investigation was unfolding.

How can that be? There are members here on CP that knows more about this whole thing than the league, the teams, and the authorities combined!!

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

You can't plead the Fifth. But you can rely on s. 13 of the Charter:

13 A witness who testifies in any proceedings has the right not to have any incriminating evidence so given used to incriminate that witness in any other proceedings, except in a prosecution for perjury or for the giving of contradictory evidence.

So if they testify under subpoena the Crown likely has made a choice not to prosecute those individuals. Though it can get tricky if Witness A says things that incriminate Witness B and vice versa.

Related question for those of you who do such thing: does the info collected by the NHL, Hockey Canada and any other org (other than the London Police Force) have evidentiary value to either Crown or Defence?



(It also might be a "be careful what you ask for" item as nobody really knows what's in those statements.)

[blankall]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

There won't be bail. Formenton at the very least has already turned himself in and was obviously just released on his own.

Bail can mean money paid into court or conditions. When you pay money into court in Canada, it's called a "surety". They are out on "bail", though.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by lazypucker

How can that be? There are members here on CP that knows more about this whole thing than the league, the teams, and the authorities combined!!

Yep. I mentioned that right after the Flames statement that some people would still insist the Flames are lying "coz reasons". 100% Bettman and Daly saying this won't change a thing!

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by blankall

Bail can mean money paid into court or conditions. When you pay money into court in Canada, it's called a "surety". They are out on "bail", though.

Well, sure, but I assumed the question was related to what lay people think of as bail. Release by the police is a form of bail, but most people I suspect are thinking of judicial interim release on conditions imposed by a court, not just the relatively minor conditions that police can impose by way of undertaking (basically on the honour system).

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Daly and Bettman also confirmed that the NHL teams were in the dark from the moment the news broke regarding the incident and were less informed than the NHL were throughout. Teams had no access to the information in the reports. The only thing they may have known would have been what the players told them and that the NHL did not give them any ongoing reports as the investigation was unfolding.

I wonder why they said they were doing an investigation if they were stymied from looking into anything.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I wonder why they said they were doing an investigation if they were stymied from looking into anything.

They want to know what they are looking at. How will this affect their players, teams and the league overall, so they'll investigate. From a PR standpoint they'll want to say that they are investigating because not indicating that you are will cause backlash for looking like you're not doing anything.

In the end they can't do anything but they can say "We investigated but because it was a police investigation and going into the courts we weren't able to get enough information"

[Aarongavey]

https://x.com/frank_seravalli/status...236249649?s=12

After a string of questions from @robyndoolittle, who has done incredible reporting on the 2018 World Junior sexual assault, Bettman stopped her and said:

“Are we having a personal conversation? Should we open the floor to others

Suspect Gary will soon discover the difference between getting interviewed by Ron Maclean and a real journalist.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by ReinhartonD

I read the transcript by Virtanen's accuser and it was not pleasant. He ended up not being convicted but the Canucks bought out his contract because they would have been trashed locally had they not. Still, the Oilers gave him a PTO and had he been more talented he'd be toiling for the Greasers now as well as their current cast of stellar citizens. Seems they look for damaged goods on the bargain bin as their modus operandi.

Seems to be working this year unfortunately

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

https://x.com/frank_seravalli/status...236249649?s=12



Suspect Gary will soon discover the difference between getting interviewed by Ron Maclean and a real journalist.

They did something similar to Rick Westhead when they were doing a presser for the Kyle Beech cover up. Westhead was trying to ask a question and the NHL was going out of their way to not call on him until they let LeBrun ask a question and LeBrun called them out on it.

[getbak]

Explaining Dillon Dube’s contract status with Flames after criminal charge: https://calgaryherald.com/sports/exp...riminal-charge

Dillon Dube, one of five hockey players facing sexual assault charges in a high-profile case in London, Ont., is currently in the final season of his contract with the Calgary Flames.

While some fans are calling on the Flames to immediately sever ties with the 25-year-old forward, legal experts say it’s not that simple.

Instead, Dube is likely to remain on a paid leave of absence until his deal expires at the end of June. NHL commissioner Gary Bettman essentially confirmed as much during a press conference Friday in Toronto.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by getbak

Explaining Dillon Dube’s contract status with Flames after criminal charge: https://calgaryherald.com/sports/exp...riminal-charge

And yet the Hawks can get Corey Perry's contract voided even though he isn't charged with any crime, just so he can sign with the Oilers.

You can't make this stuff up, the NHL is truly stranger than fiction.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Macindoc

And yet the Hawks can get Corey Perry's contract voided even though he isn't charged with any crime, just so he can sign with the Oilers.

Perry's contract was voided for something he did on the job. Dube was not employed by the Flames in 2018. Different circumstances, different standards.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Perry's contract was voided for something he did on the job. Dube was not employed by the Flames in 2018. Different circumstances, different standards.

That's not true. He signed his entry level contract in 2017.

Not terminating his contract is a total joke.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

That's not true. He signed his entry level contract in 2017.

Dube was still in junior in 2018. He received no salary from the Flames for the 2017-18 season. His contract slid by a year.

If you like, you can read the article and find out why the Flames can't simply cancel his contract for having been charged with a crime.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Dube was still in junior in 2018. He received no salary from the Flames for the 2017-18 season. His contract slid by a year.

If you like, you can read the article and find out why the Flames can't simply cancel his contract for having been charged with a crime.

The article was a puff piece carrying water for the Flames. It had one soft quare saying it was difficult to terminate, and then went on with how Dube was owed due process.

You terminate his contract and let him file a grievance. If he wins his grievance and you end up paying him who cares, at least you were forced to do it.

Mike Richards contract was terminated when he was only charged, it's doable.

And he was paid a signing bonus by the Flames, so he was an employee in 2018.

[iamca]

I apologize for being out of the Canadian media loop, however one of my close friends who still lives in Calgary, mentioned seeing a story about a year ago on CBC (I could have got the network incorrect) about this incident.

One of the jaw dropping moments was when she said that this news story had an unnamed source with his face blurred and voice disguised, state facts about the initial incident and then the other 4 players coming into the room and participating in the assault.

If there are other witnesses that can corroborate the incident, it seems like a huge deal to me.


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