[Trade] Elias Lindholm to VAN for Kuzmenko, Brzustewicz, Jurmo, 2024 1st, cond 2024 4th

[Bend it like Bourgeois]

I don’t really like the deal. The cap dump on Kuzmenko should have been worth half that price on its own. But we’ll see.

The part I like is no retention. In the next few weeks someone will need a broker for retention. The cap space might be worth a bit.

[Mattman]

Originally Posted by Flame On

"I come back to you now at the turn of the tide"

Fine I'll re watch the trilogy.... Twist my rubber arm

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

I'm disappointed the Flames didn't make the Nucks pay more to get out from under the Kuzmenko contract.

The guy had a 27% shooting percentage last year which is the highest shooting percentage by a player in any single season since the lockout.

This year his shooting percentage has gone back to normal and he has been a drag on the Canucks cap. His production is very disappointing considering he's still been on the 1st PP all season.

I feel like the Flames should have gotten a 1st + for Lindholm and a 1st for taking Kuzmenko. I see him as a worse player than Monahan who the Flames traded a 1st to dump.

Also, if the Flames are now in the business of helping their Canadian rivals, I wish they would have sent Lindholm to the Oilers instead.

Lindy might have produce for us this season, but we still love him. Why would be trade him to Deadmonton?

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by butterfly

I'm not sure that there's anything political about being respectful and proud of all people. Is that political now?

Please. Stop.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Flamescuprun2018

Conny clearly still wants to see us to compete for playoffs. Markstrom is not moving any time soon based on that interview.

"Win or lose that's ok, but be competitive, young guys need to be in that environment"

By the same token, Lindholm isn't moving any time soon either, based on those same comments.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to be competitive, and trying to win, while also knowing that you need to make changes. There are still players who are here - and those players should ALWAYS be trying to win.

He isn't saying they are going to go out and get players at the deadline, he is just saying that the guys that are here believe in themselves and think they can make the playoffs. Why would you ever want anything different from the palyers on your team?

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Pronman still thinks Middlestadt is gonna have a better career than Elias Pettersson.


Pronman is dumb.

Pronman is an absolute turd. It amazes me he has the audience and coverage he does built on years of other people's work.

[ben voyonsdonc]

Does Jurmo come over next year to play in the A?

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

It sounds like a great trade for Calgary and that’s really exciting but for me most of all it’s the clarity on strategic direction that I like the most.

This trade is consistent with what I believe they need to do to get the team back to a contending level and I know it kills them to use the word “rebuild” but this trade really cements that they’re doing that.

I know others have said the previous trades did that, or suggested that strategy too, but I dunno, to me- this one really seals it.

It’ll be exciting to see what they get for the rest of the UFAs and (IMO) as well, Markstrom should also be dealt.

Good chance Markstrom lands you that Iggy Jr. pick.

I think they should do it.

Should also swing for a conditional 2nd that becomes a 1st for Tanev like they did with Russell who was a comparable shot-blocking 2nd pairing guy. Could see Dallas being the team again too.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

Lindy might have produce for us this season, but we still love him. Why would be trade him to Deadmonton?

We did him worse by trading him to Vangcouver=No Good

[browna]

One wonders too if Kuz talked with Zadorov about Calgary as a a team and as a city. Obviously Zadorov has had good things to say about the city.

Most players probably do chat amongst themselves but the Russians seems to stick together as well. Even ones *gasp* that may not have some of the same opinions on things.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Please. Stop.

I'll continue to voice my opinion in a polite and respectful manner; thanks. You may do the same.

[ben voyonsdonc]

Originally Posted by Yamer

.eciN

It took me a second but well done.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

I'm actually pretty happy with the deal. Addresses an organizational need in a big way, so it's a good deal. I'm not going go overboard and saw what a massive steal it is, because it isn't. There is nothing guaranteed in this deal to make the Flames better. It is all futures at this point, but that's okay.



Not everyone. There were lots of people posting trades where bluechip prospects or young performing roster players were being moved in trade. So those expectations were not met in any way. We didn't see a Wallinder or Lekkerimaki dealt our way.



Argue away. He was drafted in the third round for a reason. He's a smallish defenseman who is pass first. Not a great shot, but an incredible passer. A player that not many on the board had heard of before the trade and a guy that didn't even make the Canucks top 15 prospects in their prospect review by The Hockey Writers for a weak Vancouver prospect pool. Still lots to prove for this kid, even with posting gaudy numbers in the OHL. Has a particular skillset the team needs but has a long path to the NHL. Still see him as a "B" level prospect, even with the scoring exploits, and that's okay. "B" level prospects can surprise and turn into core players if things go right.

Just read a prospect ranking from the start of January (Hockey News) that had him 3rd on their prospect pool behind only Willander and Lekkerimaki. Considering those two are A+ level prospects, I think that puts him in good company.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

Pronman is an absolute turd. It amazes me he has the audience and coverage he does built on years of other people's work.

What does this mean? He does his own scouting. How is he leveraging other people's work? Do you read his stuff?

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

I thought you were the guy telling people to temper their expectations? I think Conroy's patience is creating a little bit of a bidding war which is causing teams to make some decisions. This is good news considering at the beginning of the year there was talk that Conway was being low balled.

He said we wouldn’t get anything good so now he has to claim what we got isn’t anything good.

[Gemnoble]

Originally Posted by butterfly

I'll continue to voice my opinion in a polite and respectful manner; thanks. You may do the same.

Lot of Drama around someone wearing rainbows.

[chummer]

Originally Posted by butterfly

I'll continue to voice my opinion in a polite and respectful manner; thanks. You may do the same.

Dude, give it a rest.

[Chingas]

Originally Posted by butterfly

I'll continue to voice my opinion in a polite and respectful manner; thanks. You may do the same.

Please keep it up. We all come here to read your obsessive passive aggressive posting about yourself and your position. I mean that's why anyone would peruse a hockey forum.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

As a prospect in 2018 Andersson was an honourable mention (so not in the top 100 in the league), he was well behind Kylington, Valimaki and Mangiapane from the Flames. He ranked him behind such d-men as Jokiharju, Boqvist, Merkley, Liljegren, Meyers, TSmith, Brannstrom, Bode Wilde, etc etc etc. He has some other big misses in his predictions in that year as well - he didn’t like Fox much, and ranks Yamamoto and Bouchard way too high. He way overrated Mittelstadt, Borgstrom, Vilardi etc. He underrated Makar and Heiskenan.

https://theathletic.com/508797/2018/...018-19-season/

I think Rasmus really benefited from being paired with Gio. I think it really helps prospects develop when they get to play with and learn from stars. That's why a part of me wants Gio back as a 6th/7th D next year, so he can help bring along the next young D.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Bend it like Bourgeois

I don’t really like the deal. The cap dump on Kuzmenko should have been worth half that price on its own. But we’ll see.

The part I like is no retention. In the next few weeks someone will need a broker for retention. The cap space might be worth a bit.

A 1st round pick, two solid defensemen prospects, and a 4th that can become a 3rd this year.

Plus a roster player cap dump one year removed from a 39 goal season.

Who can still be traded for more assets.

That’s a great return.