Hart, McLeod, Dube, Foote, Formenton charged with sexual assault

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by kipperiggy

Yeah the evidence that says someone knew the conduct was sketchy enough to video her alleged consent and then followed up with texts the next day.

True consent doesn't need video evidence.

False accusations are much rarer than people think. See #7 https://www.canada.ca/en/department-...ths-facts.html

It's sad that people get more up in arms about innocent until proven guilty rather than the types of conduct we continue to see. How about just not assault people?

And I'm not saying they don't deserve a trial, of course they do, but man will it be a tough one all around I imagine.

No one comes out of this unscathed.

[alnigi]

For any of those directly involved with this debacle, it shall never go away, no matter the outcome of unfolding events, arrests and future trials. Each of them knows the truth of their actions and will live forever with the shame of that , however they may try and cover up their participation or admission of horrible wrong doing.

Hopefully this shall be a huge warning and deterrent for potential future instances of similiar behaviour, whether in the sports world or any other domain of human conduct regarding abuse of others. The underlying attitudes, behavior and perverse entitlement that leads to rape culture and abuse of woman repeats itself over and over, in some form or other on a daily basis around the globe.

It is good this isn’t being stuffed away. Obviously there is and are going to be many consequences for many people beyond the core participants.

Hopefully one possible outcome of this matter, is a greater awareness of individual respect and decency, towards others and ones self.
Even in times and moments of going over the line, whether in inebriation or some other state of ego induced place of perceived invisibility.

[Ped]

Interesting article in the Athletic this morning on what the NHL can do if a player is charged. (Note; if charged)


https://theathletic.com/5229999/2024...l-charges-nhl/

In fact, the CBA specifically spells out the NHL commissioner’s ability to suspend a player who is facing a criminal investigation. The CBA grants the commissioner the ability to opt for a preemptive suspension in cases “where the failure to suspend the Player during this period would create a substantial risk of material harm to the legitimate interests and/or reputation of the League.”
Bettman opted to use that power in October 2014 after Los Angeles defenseman Slava Voynov was arrested on suspicion of domestic violence. Voynov was suspended with pay by the NHL within hours of his arrest and never played another game in the league. His contract was eventually terminated by the Kings in September 2015 after he was released from a detention center and elected to return home to Russia rather than face U.S. deportation proceedings.

he NHL handled the Voynov case differently than it did one involving former Colorado Avalanche goaltender Semyon Varlamov the year before. In October 2013, Varlamov was arrested on suspicion of second-degree kidnapping and third-degree assault, but he was permitted to continue playing and traveling with his Avalanche teammates while the case was pending. Roughly two months after he was arrested, the charges against Varlamov were dropped.

he CBA gives Bettman three different mechanisms to punish a player for off-ice misconduct:

• By expelling or suspending the player for a definite or indefinite period;
• By cancelling any contract the player has with an NHL club;
• By imposing a fine on the player

[codynw]

Originally Posted by Locke

Always reminds me of this quote, but you can take 'God' out and replace it with 'Anyone.'

Nobody should have to be looking over your shoulder. Not God, not Buddha, not Mohammad, not your mother...nobody.

This comes to mind as well. I guess NSFW for language.

NSFW!

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Goriders

No one comes out of this unscathed.

Since Hockey Canada already paid millions of dollars to make this go away, we know there is something here, regardless of whether or not the Crown can meet the "beyond a reasonable doubt" standard.

Guilty or not, the players at the very least behaved horrendously. Or at least Hockey Canada was satisfied that they did.

[Flamesfan05]

They would be the new OJ Simpson

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Ped

Interesting article in the Athletic this morning on what the NHL can do if a player is charged. (Note; if charged)


https://theathletic.com/5229999/2024...l-charges-nhl/

Plus we know that a team can successfully get rid of a player without a criminal conviction: Richards, Kane, Perry.

[Goriders]

Have the other four players surrendered to the police? Just saw Formenton.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Have the other four players surrendered to the police? Just saw Formenton.

None reported as yet.

[jar_e]

TSN has released the names being charged today.

Hart
Macleod
Dube
Foote
Formenton

Sources confirm NHL players facing charges in sexual assault investigation

https://www.tsn.ca/1.2069570

[Vinny01]

TSN just dropped an article stating the 5 players are the ones being charged. Bad look for the Flames now knowing Dube will be charged as he was the only one to cite mental health as his reason for leaving and almost certainly confirms why he played like crap all year.

Sources confirm NHL players facing charges in sexual assault investigation
https://www.tsn.ca/1.2069570

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Toonage

It seems to be lining up.

I'll withhold comment until its official, but plenty of disappointment to go around

Now I want to know what the Flames knew, and for how long they knew.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Now I want to know what the Flames knew, and for how long they knew.

Do you confess felonies to your employer?

[jar_e]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Now I want to know what the Flames knew, and for how long they knew.

I would wager a fair bit of money the league, teams and media knew the five involved before the lawsuit. The hockey community is small and this surely did not come as a surprise.

[Lanny'sDaMan]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1752423666380607596


And there it is.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Do you confess felonies to your employer?

I wonder how Ottawa knew? (Assuming they knew and just did not decide not to sign a 6’3 22 year old power forward who got 18 goals in his rookie year).

[Titan2]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Now I want to know what the Flames knew and for how long they knew.

That is a fair question, but you have to remember there was an investigation by the police and the NHL, which were both closed without any action.

That is the context the Flames are operating within.

The charges, which have actually not been confirmed by anyone yet, arose after the investigation was resumed in light of the civil matter.

[GullFoss]

Guilty or not guilty, these clowns and/or rapists have probably played their last game in the NHL

[Lonestar]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Do you confess felonies to your employer?

Never have felt the need to because I'm not a felon. I want to see how the organization handles this and will decide how to follow my hometown team from there, if ever again...

[OILFAN #81]

Well there goes the speculation. Sucks for the victim that it took 6 years for this to happen but at least the authorities have enough information/evidence for them to be asked to surrender.