2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

I like Stankoven and was upset when we picked Stromgren over him but he’s not the level of prospect/player that would single handedly hasten a rebuild for Calgary. He’d be a guy a target as part of a package for Coleman next year if the Flames have another year of regression and Coleman is willing to move on at that point.

Stankoven is a excellent prospect, well better than anyone on Calgary, at least according to Hockey News, who has him ranked 6th.

You won't get him for Coleman, much less as part of a package for him.

He's NHL ready and Dallas needs to fund a top 6 role for him. He's leading the AHL in scoring, which is pretty unusual for a guy just out of junior.

[bluejays]

Jim Nill came from the scouting world in Detroit. His bread and butter is prospects and development. Little chance he deals his best.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Stankoven is a excellent prospect, well better than anyone on Calgary, at least according to Hockey News, who has him ranked 6th.

You won't get him for Coleman, much less as part of a package for him.

He's NHL ready and Dallas needs to fund a top 6 role for him. He's leading the AHL in scoring, which is pretty unusual for a guy just out of junior.

Just did a deeper dive on Stankoven and wow, I was definitely wrong in my assessment. Makes the Stromgren pick even worse lol; say what you want about the flames drafting which has been stellar, outside of Andersson/Kylington the 2nd round has been a rough one for us I feel.

[Icantwhisper]

Originally Posted by Goriders

No matter what happens it will go either way. Some will be happy. Some won’t

Conroy could trade Lindholm for a bag of beans and all would be outraged, but 5 pages later everyone will be "this is a pretty good bag of beans"

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Honestly...and I eat a lot of crow in saying this because I wasn't a fan of his signing initially...but if there is a guy I'd prioritize to add as a GM trying to make a run this offseason it's Tanev.

His season hasn't been as strong as usual but he's still the type of d-man that you need in the playoffs when things tighten up at 5v5 and on the PK.

In terms of sign and trades or long term acquisitions I would go Hanifin > Lindholm > Tanev ... but for a single season only then I think Tanev could be the actual most impactful piece.

The impending Tanev trade has to make him the best UFA signing in team history no?

A guy like Frolik or Hudler were value for their whole contracts (more or less in Frolik's case), but to be solid for four years and then return a haul?

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Honestly I am starting to care much less about returns and just show me that they understand the direction the team needs to go in.

Because I’m not sure they understand that yet. Which if true is shocking and depressing. Even if it is ol Murr calling the shots. Like, please, for the love of god, come to your senses here.

They've moved two of their UFAs for futures this year.
They haven't resigned any of the others that were on the list.
They've discussed salary retention publically.
They're listed as in active talks on three different players from most league sources.

Where are you getting your information? There is nothing out there that suggests they don't understand the standings or the situation.

[Angelino]

Originally Posted by Bingo

The impending Tanev trade has to make him the best UFA signing in team history no?

A guy like Frolik or Hudler were value for their whole contracts (more or less in Frolik's case), but to be solid for four years and then return a haul?

Tanev has been a great signing. However, I highly doubt there will be a haul when he is traded. I expect a modest return at best due to his age and injury history. Hopefully I am wrong.

[Toonage]

All I know is that if there are legitimately 10+ teams interested in him they need to
A) Sit him immediately
B) Look at taking the best offer available as soon as possible

Less risk with the other UFAs, given the style Tanev plays.

I've heard Seravalli giving us the stats, the percentage of games Tanev plays and how he isn't always as hurt as his reputation might suggest.

I don't care. Sit him. Move him. Its not worth the risk if he has that may suitors.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Bingo

They've moved two of their UFAs for futures this year.
They haven't resigned any of the others that were on the list.
They've discussed salary retention publically.
They're listed as in active talks on three different players from most league sources.

Where are you getting your information? There is nothing out there that suggests they don't understand the standings or the situation.

I have no idea what the Flames do or don't understand, but they did trade the two guys who apparently wanted more than they were willing to give, and were pretty close to re-signing two more before the season started terribly. It's fairly possible their improvement since then could have changed minds again.

[Flames1217]

Stankoven is also the hier to Joe Pavelski's spot in the lineup once he retires.

Bourque is far more likely available as the Stars already have both Hints and Johnson as thier long term 1-2 punch down the middle.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Flames1217

Stankoven is also the hier to Joe Pavelski's spot in the lineup once he retires.

Bourque is far more likely available as the Stars already have both Hints and Johnson as thier long term 1-2 punch down the middle.

Can they wait ten more years?

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by Bingo

They've moved two of their UFAs for futures this year.
They haven't resigned any of the others that were on the list.
They've discussed salary retention publically.
They're listed as in active talks on three different players from most league sources.

Where are you getting your information? There is nothing out there that suggests they don't understand the standings or the situation.

They also had huge offers on the table for Lindholm and Hanafin early in the season and could've quite easily been all in on this team for years to come.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Angelino

Tanev has been a great signing. However, I highly doubt there will be a haul when he is traded. I expect a modest return at best due to his age and injury history. Hopefully I am wrong.

Take out the word haul then.

Most UFAs have a decline and then just walk away. Tanev will have four great seasons and then a 2nd round pick + as a bonus.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Igottago

They also had huge offers on the table for Lindholm and Hanafin early in the season and could've quite easily been all in on this team for years to come.

Hanifin is a 27 year old top four defenseman ... you want an offer on the table for that guy.

Lindholm is the team's number one center and they've always struggled getting that top line center. Glad they didn't sign him myself, but I get the attempt.

Neither of those suggests the team is going to walk the two players to free agency and have them leave for nothing because they don't understand the standings.

[looooob]

Originally Posted by Bingo

The impending Tanev trade has to make him the best UFA signing in team history no?

A guy like Frolik or Hudler were value for their whole contracts (more or less in Frolik's case), but to be solid for four years and then return a haul?

coulda shoulda been Gelinas just based on his Paul Henderson-esque 2 month run, but alas....

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Hanifin is a 27 year old top four defenseman ... you want an offer on the table for that guy.

Lindholm is the team's number one center and they've always struggled getting that top line center. Glad they didn't sign him myself, but I get the attempt.

Neither of those suggests the team is going to walk the two players to free agency and have them leave for nothing because they don't understand the standings.

I think people are more so concerned that the team understands it needs to truly rebuild (at least I am), not just that they avoid walking guys to UFA.
And had they signed those two guys, the direction would have been firmly cemented as is. Even a few weeks ago there was the interview where Conroy said they realize they won't get truly elite draft picks because they don't want to bottom out.

There is still a lot to be skeptical about with this organization and how it does things. We'll have to wait and see what reality looks like after the deadline.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Bingo

The impending Tanev trade has to make him the best UFA signing in team history no?

A guy like Frolik or Hudler were value for their whole contracts (more or less in Frolik's case), but to be solid for four years and then return a haul?

He did only play in one playoff season. So I'm not sure if the on ice contribution measures up although he can't be faulted for a lot of it. I think I still pick Gelinas because to me that's important. I mean Jay Bouwmeester was higher profile and was traded for "assets"...turned out the assets were less useful than toilet paper. But that's not really the players fault that management did that.

The reason he's being moved is because the team is not performing on the ice. He was essentially signed to replace losing Brodie for nothing and arguably replaced what they lost there for a bit less money so that part seems to have worked okay.

I'll be okay if they can get something like what Seattle got for Giordano or Jarnkrok in a trade.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Bingo

The impending Tanev trade has to make him the best UFA signing in team history no?

A guy like Frolik or Hudler were value for their whole contracts (more or less in Frolik's case), but to be solid for four years and then return a haul?

Bouwmeester would be the only other one...but the years he were with the Flames were disappointing even it it wasn't really his fault.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Redrum

The way Conroy wanted all his retention spots sounds like Bread would be a top target next year, if the sun starts coming up in the west and Flames start unloading some players.

According to Rick Dhaliwal, who I feel is very much in the know, the Zadorov trade with the Canucks almost didn't happen because Conroy was told he cannot retain, so take that as you will.

Maybe it was just for a Zadorov trade or maybe it's a blanket philosophy for all trades? Who knows.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by activeStick

According to Rick Dhaliwal, who I feel is very much in the know, the Zadorov trade with the Canucks almost didn't happen because Conroy was told he cannot retain, so take that as you will.

Maybe it was just for a Zadorov trade or maybe it's a blanket philosophy for all trades? Who knows.

Conroy said publicly they didn't want to use the retention slot in the Zadorov trade to retain that spot for future moves.