Hart, McLeod, Dube, Foote, Formenton found not guilty of sexual assault

[TheIronMaiden]

Sec214 did mention that Dube likes pizza.

[fotze2]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Sec214 did mention that Dube likes pizza.

While watching either an orgy or crime for 10 minutes?

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by fotze2

While watching either an orgy or crime for 10 minutes?

[Fan in Exile]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

Yeah, when this article strongly implies they are the 5, and has this quote, I don't think there is a whole lot of doubt.

https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/...ssault-inquiry



In other athlete/celebrity legal issues, once they're charged, it is usually public. Is it a Canada thing, that they're not made public right away?

Not unless they were minors at the time but I don't believe any of the accused were young offenders.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by fotze2

While watching either an orgy or crime for 10 minutes?

It certainly does absolve guilt, and would make him a key piece in the trial which no doubt would ruin his mental health, and life long reputation. It would also force him to be quite to avoid perjury which would explain while there is no comment from his agent.

[Ped]

A lot of people are really sticking their fingers in the ears and saying "Nah nah nah nah nah nah nah nah"

[Electricprez]

Maybe it has been tabled already, and it is further (wild) speculation, but I've been pondering the way the Flames framed this and I can't help but focus on the line saying he is "under the care" of health professionals, which struck me as both urgent and odd.

That wording is not accidental.
You aren't (typically) immediately "under the care of" of "health professionals" unless something major has gone down that requires it.

Which leads me to wonder:
Did Dube, knowing this was coming, suffer a mental health episode and threaten something like suicide?

Because under those circumstances, he very much WOULD be remanded to the care of health professionals, and the statement would be accurate.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by devo22

I honestly wouldn't read anything into those statements at all. Every single one of those is essentially hollow, meaningless legalese.

Yeah, I said so at the time, and I should know. There's a bunch that said "I had nothing to do with any of this" and then there were these ones. Which aren't even accurate. A closed police investigation doesn't "clear" someone of wrongdoing. Heck, even a "not guilty" verdict doesn't mean someone was cleared - it just means the Crown didn't meet the high standard to convict someone. That's why OJ was found not guilty in the criminal case, but liable in the civil case.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Electricprez

Maybe it has been tabled already, and it is further (wild) speculation, but I've been pondering the way the Flames framed this and I can't help but focus on the line saying he is "under the care" of health professionals, which struck me as both urgent and odd.

That wording is not accidental.
You aren't (typically) immediately "under the care of" of "health professionals" unless something major has gone down that requires it.

Which leads me to wonder:
Did Dube, knowing this was coming, suffer a mental health episode and threaten something like suicide?

Because under those circumstances, he very much WOULD be remanded to the care of health professionals, and the statement would be accurate.

A therapist is a health professional. A psychologist or a psychiatrist is a health professional. Hell, a chiropractor is a health professional. People need to stop dissecting every little word.

[bluejays]

Part of what I’m wondering is if the police will try and play prisoners dilemma with the worst offenders in this case to get one guy to turn on the rest for a lighter penalty. Would perhaps explain why they’re having the press conference in a week. They probably have a decent amount of the puzzle but need that one insider to turn against the others to nail it down.

[Electricprez]

Originally Posted by Ped

A therapist is a health professional. A psychologist or a psychiatrist is a health professional. Hell, a chiropractor is a health professional. People need to stop dissecting every little word.

While that's all true, it wouldn't be common to say you are being "under the care of" those roles, which itself implies something more significant and ongoing.

Nobody on the planet says "I'm under the care of a chiropractor."

So you can give me guff if you want to, but I think it's significant.

[Ped]

Leaping from under the care to a suicide attempt is quite a leap.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Ped

A lot of people are really sticking their fingers in the ears and saying "Nah nah nah nah nah nah nah nah"

to be 100% clear I could care less who commit the crimes so long as they are brought to justice. Just the same, I think that we cannot with 100% certainty call people guilty without trial.

With that in mind, it causes no extra harm to maintain peoples innocence until they are proven guilty, where as it causes immersible harm to insist guilt before trial.

[Ped]

Sure, but are people maintaining innocence because people are innocent until proven guilty, or are people maintaining innocent because they love the Flames and Dube plays for the Flames?

Would the same standards apply if Dube played for the Leafs or the Oilers? I think we all know the answer to that, and that is the worst part of sports fandom.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

Is it 5 plus the "pizza guy", or 5 with him?

Could the investigators be trying to build a stronger case against a couple from the testimony of others? Or is their case already made and the 5 are to being charged?

Well it was 8 in the room. 5 have been asked to surrender for charges.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Ped

Sure, but are people maintaining innocence because people are innocent until proven guilty, or are people maintaining innocent because they love the Flames and Dube plays for the Flames?

Would the same standards apply if Dube played for the Leafs or the Oilers? I think we all know the answer to that, and that is the worst part of sports fandom.

That’s a pretty trashy accusation to lob at other posters. Between this and the tool who called people “bootlickers” solely because they were unwilling to jump to a conclusion, I’m not sure exactly what some of you are trying to accomplish.

[Knut]

There are some Gigantic LEAPS happening here.

[Locke]

Ah 'The Pizza Guy' the unintended victim of our age.

No one considers the Pizza Guy.

He didnt consent to anything, he's just delivering post-orgy sustenance. He didnt want to be there and nobody asks him if he wants to participate, he just gets dragged into it.

He's just an innocent bystander who gets roped into a life of debauchery.

He never chose the 'Pizza Delivery Boy' life...the Pizza Delivery Boy life chose him...

[fotze2]

Originally Posted by Knut

There are some Gigantic LEAPS happening here.

When there is a lack of information people will ALWAYS fill in the gaps with only the most outlandish.

There are a lot of pros to keeping details secret (legally, morally) but people filling in the gaps is unfortunately one of the cons of silence.

[blender]

Originally Posted by Ped

A lot of people are really sticking their fingers in the ears and saying "Nah nah nah nah nah nah nah nah"

And an equal amount of people think they have the whole thing figured out.
Maddening, isn't it?