1. Flames do not know whether or not Dube was involved in the WJC incident or Flames were told by his agent that Dube did nothing criminally wrong.
2. Dube approaches the Flames regarding his mental health, requesting an LOA.
3. Flames grant Dube the LOA and make the announcement.
I don't know how people are coming to the conclusion that the Flames definitely did something nefarious here.
It’s a possibility for sure and one the org should answer for publicly because if the answer is anything other than “we were completely blindsided by this, it goes against everything we knew and were told, and we’re terminating Dillon’s contract immediately” then they’re not much better than the Blackhawks if at all.
1. Flames do not know whether or not Dube was involved in the WJC incident or Flames were told by his agent that Dube did nothing criminally wrong.
2. Dube approaches the Flames regarding his mental health, requesting an LOA.
3. Flames grant Dube the LOA and make the announcement.
I don't know how people are coming to the conclusion that the Flames definitely did something nefarious here.
I posted something similar earlier, although what I don't think is a possibility is #1. Of course the Flames know about a level of involvement (if he is truly involved, I guess technically it's still speculation). I think where things are heating up on the Flames, are on how should they be handling it given they are likely aware this could have been coming, and I actually believe your #2 and #3 are likely correct.
I think when it comes to some of the anger towards the Flames in here, what is being lost is how not straight forward and grey having to handle this actually is. I'm fully aligned with the reasons people want things done a certain way, the intentions behind those asks are the right ones: we need to stand with victims, we need to believe victims, we need to change the culture, and we need to stop rewarding those who abuse their power and people and those people need to be held accountable and punished.
But as an employer they are likely dealing with the following:
- An incident that occurred prior to the individual formally being fully a part of the organization (although I believe he signed his first contract before)
- An incident that did not occur within their organization or technically on their watch (so did not happen to another employee).
- Likely an employee who is still claiming zero wrong doing.............
- And up until today, an employee who hasn't been charged with a crime
None of the above is to excuse anything that has occurred. Merely pointing out from a Flames organization point of view, there are so many many factors influencing how they handle this, many of them legally and of course outside of the legal realm as well.
I'm trying hard to hold my judgement on the Flames until we learn more, see where it goes and what they do moving forward if what we are speculating on the names ends up being valid.
It’s a possibility for sure and one the org should answer for publicly because if the answer is anything other than “we were completely blindsided by this, it goes against everything we knew and were told, and we’re terminating Dillon’s contract immediately” then they’re not much better than the Blackhawks if at all.
I don't see how these are the same things at all.
There are some material differences in the situations, and the role the Hawks played in their scandal and the role the Flames are playing in this situation, that you seem to be ignoring completely.
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I mean... it's been 5 years. There's a presser on Feb. 5th.
It seems like people should be able to make it another two weeks without spinning themselves nuts over pointless speculation, no? Like, just wait for the facts.
Feb 5th???? Can you imagine where this thread will have devolved to by then???
Most of it right now is arguing over how the Flames dealt with it and Corey Perry.
Not the fact it looks like a guy we've all been cheering for the last few years is about to be charged with sexual assault.
Weird that even when our player is on the verge of being charged the most important thing to some posters is that we're still better than Edmonton.
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It’s a possibility for sure and one the org should answer for publicly because if the answer is anything other than “we were completely blindsided by this, it goes against everything we knew and were told, and we’re terminating Dillon’s contract immediately” then they’re not much better than the Blackhawks if at all.
Yeah... "no further comment" won't cut it.
If he is one of the five then if the response is anything short of "We were assured by Dillon that he had fully cooperated with police and that he had been cleared of any and all wrongdoing. Dillon requested a leave for his mental health and was granted it per team policy, only after granting that leave were we made aware of pending charges" then there aren't enough chickens to supply all the egg that should be on their faces. In regards to what happens next if their response is anything less then "we are consulting with our attorney's and the league as to whether we can legally terminate his agreement and will respond once those consultations have concluded" it's nothing but a PR loss and the organization can (and should) be regarded as ####heels.
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You are aware Cosby is out of jail on a previous technicality that he likely only got because he was famous right?
The ‘previous technicality’ is that the Pennsylvania Supreme Court found he was deprived of his right to due process. Cosby had been compelled to testify as the defendant in a civil case, but then the same testimony was used against him in a criminal trial – a violation of the Fifth Amendment.
You don't have to be famous for that to happen.
Meanwhile, the man is blind, broke, his career is over, and he spent nearly three years in prison. No doubt he should have been punished sooner and more severely, but you can hardly say he got away with what he did.
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I'm sure the Flames would like to have worded the release differently now, more in line with what the other clubs did. And not put their players in the position of answering mental health questions.
But that is just small potatoes at this point. I'm sure they'll walk it back a little.
Also Seravalli reported that the Hart and Dube LOA's were unrelated. Doesn't seem too plausible now.
I'm sure he worded it as "I'm hearing..." or something like that but it's why I really dislike that kind of reporting. This isn't trade rumor stuff.
Or maybe he did some actual verification and will be proven right.
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"Oiler fans are just excited because there's five more players that will be available for them to sign in short order."
Or Montreal?
If he is one of the five then if the response is anything short of "We were assured by Dillon that he had fully cooperated with police and that he had been cleared of any and all wrongdoing. Dillon requested a leave for his mental health and was granted it per team policy, only after granting that leave were we made aware of pending charges" then there aren't enough chickens to supply all the egg that should be on their faces. In regards to what happens next if their response is anything less then "we are consulting with our attorney's and the league as to whether we can legally terminate his agreement and will respond once those consultations have concluded" it's nothing but a PR loss and the organization can (and should) be regarded as ####heels.
Since when has any organization (sporting or otherwise) ever made those kind of statements? Alluding to consulting about terminating a contract? They would either just do it or not do it, never actually make a statement about consulting legal about it.
If you’re waiting for a statement like that, you’ll be waiting for a very long time
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The ‘previous technicality’ is that the Pennsylvania Supreme Court found he was deprived of his right to due process. Cosby had been compelled to testify as the defendant in a civil case, but then the same testimony was used against him in a criminal trial – a violation of the Fifth Amendment.
You don't have to be famous for that to happen.
Meanwhile, the man is blind, broke, his career is over, and he spent nearly three years in prison. No doubt he should have been punished sooner and more severely, but you can hardly say he got away with what he did.
Would there be a civil suit if he wasn't rich and famous though?
I still think I would rather be a free blind and broke man vs a incarcerated blind and broke man. Glad he got some jail time but likely deserved way way more.
