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Old 01-22-2024, 11:31 PM   #17801
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This place is going to burn when lindholm is traded for a second and a fourth, Tanev is traded for a third and resigns in the offseason and hanifin is signed at 7x5
Hanifin deal is great
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Lindholm will be an excellent player for whoever gets him.
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Old 01-23-2024, 12:08 AM   #17803
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I think you put a premium on Tanev. From most accounts he's happy here.

If someone pays the premium, maybe you re sign him in the summer. If you don't trade him, day after trade deadline, you extend him a year.

With or without Hanifin, a calming veteran presence on the ice and seemingly in the room is something a guy like Kylington, Soly, and inexperienced guys like DeSimone and Gibby, hell even Andersson (he said it himself) could use as a mentor for as long as possible.
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Old 01-23-2024, 03:30 AM   #17804
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This is rough..

Monahan:
46 games played, 11 goals, 20 assists, 31 points, -6, 38.7% oZS, 56.4% FO%

Lindholm:
46 games played, 8 goals, 22 assists, 30 points, -9, 50.7% oZS, 55.9% FO%

I think if we get a 1st+2nd for Lindholm we count ourselves fortunate. Maybe a roster player back for cap purposes or a throw in for retention.

I'm curious if the offers are worse now then they were in the summer.
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Old 01-23-2024, 03:55 AM   #17805
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This is rough..

Monahan:
46 games played, 11 goals, 20 assists, 31 points, -6, 38.7% oZS, 56.4% FO%

Lindholm:
46 games played, 8 goals, 22 assists, 30 points, -9, 50.7% oZS, 55.9% FO%

I think if we get a 1st+2nd for Lindholm we count ourselves fortunate. Maybe a roster player back for cap purposes or a throw in for retention.

I'm curious if the offers are worse now then they were in the summer.
Since contending teams had little cap space in the summer, it may not be an apt comparison.
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Old 01-23-2024, 04:02 AM   #17806
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I think you put a premium on Tanev. From most accounts he's happy here.

If someone pays the premium, maybe you re sign him in the summer. If you don't trade him, day after trade deadline, you extend him a year.

With or without Hanifin, a calming veteran presence on the ice and seemingly in the room is something a guy like Kylington, Soly, and inexperienced guys like DeSimone and Gibby, hell even Andersson (he said it himself) could use as a mentor for as long as possible.
Thought the rumours was tanev is looking for a 3-4 year extension. If he only wanted a year extension, flames would probably already signed him.
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Old 01-23-2024, 06:59 AM   #17807
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This is rough..

Monahan:
46 games played, 11 goals, 20 assists, 31 points, -6, 38.7% oZS, 56.4% FO%

Lindholm:
46 games played, 8 goals, 22 assists, 30 points, -9, 50.7% oZS, 55.9% FO%

I think if we get a 1st+2nd for Lindholm we count ourselves fortunate. Maybe a roster player back for cap purposes or a throw in for retention.

I'm curious if the offers are worse now then they were in the summer.
Eh, I don't see Monahan as a comparable to Lindholm. One has a solid reputation as a two way center that was a runner up to Selke and the other guy is an often injured one way guy
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Old 01-23-2024, 07:57 AM   #17808
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I suspect opposition lines are a little different for Lindholm versus Monahan.
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I suspect opposition lines are a little different for Lindholm versus Monahan.
So are their next contract term expectations.
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Old 01-23-2024, 08:27 AM   #17810
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I suspect opposition lines are a little different for Lindholm versus Monahan.
One player has probably improved his contract expectations in over last season while the other player has cost himself millions of dollars. Lindholm will have to hope that he really clicks with the team he's traded to in hopes of salvaging some worth as a free agent.

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Old 01-23-2024, 08:39 AM   #17811
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One player has probably improved his contract expectations in over last season while the other player has cost himself millions of dollars. Lindholm will have to hope that he really clicks with the team he's traded to in hopes of salvaging some worth as a free agent.
Well sure, but at the end of the day, if you want a centre to help you win which are you seriously picking?
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Old 01-23-2024, 08:42 AM   #17812
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This place is going to burn when lindholm is traded for a second and a fourth, Tanev is traded for a third and resigns in the offseason and hanifin is signed at 7x5
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I honestly hope you are right that an uninspired, fun 9 million dollar seeking free agent brings more than that
Wait, you were serious with the first post?
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Old 01-23-2024, 08:45 AM   #17813
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Some fans get way too hung up on current points vs larger sample sizes. Has Lindholm had an off year? Definitely. Is he still the player everyone thinks he is, and can be? Of course.

GMs know what he can do. His price isn't going to be based on the fact that he has 8 goals this year, it's based on what he can do for a team.
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Old 01-23-2024, 08:46 AM   #17814
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Not that I believe he gets traded for a 2nd + 4th round pick (I don't), but I'd still prefer this over the alternative of losing him for nothing as a UFA, or giving him the 7yrs @ $8M contract he likely gets as a UFA.
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Old 01-23-2024, 08:46 AM   #17815
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This is rough..

Monahan:
46 games played, 11 goals, 20 assists, 31 points, -6, 38.7% oZS, 56.4% FO%

Lindholm:
46 games played, 8 goals, 22 assists, 30 points, -9, 50.7% oZS, 55.9% FO%

I think if we get a 1st+2nd for Lindholm we count ourselves fortunate. Maybe a roster player back for cap purposes or a throw in for retention.

I'm curious if the offers are worse now then they were in the summer.
GMBT basically ruined this franchise. It will be 8 years before we crawl out from his mistakes.

We had to pay a first to get rid of one of our best players, rather than waiting for him to heal. And now he’ll probably land MTL the haul we were hoping to get for Lindholm.
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GMBT basically ruined this franchise. It will be 8 years before we crawl out from his mistakes.

We had to pay a first to get rid of one of our best players, rather than waiting for him to heal. And now he’ll probably land MTL the haul we were hoping to get for Lindholm.
No way. Monahan will get a 2nd max
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Old 01-23-2024, 09:33 AM   #17817
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GMBT basically ruined this franchise. It will be 8 years before we crawl out from his mistakes.

We had to pay a first to get rid of one of our best players, rather than waiting for him to heal. And now he’ll probably land MTL the haul we were hoping to get for Lindholm.
Zero chance Monny brings in more than Lindholm.

Even if you are a slave to looking only at points, they are virtually identical.

And Monny is a very flawed PP specialist.

But top suggest he'll get a haul, and Lindholm will bring in scraps is basically insane.

Let's see what each's next contract looks like.
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Old 01-23-2024, 09:53 AM   #17818
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Well sure, but at the end of the day, if you want a centre to help you win which are you seriously picking?
He is like Jarnkrok when the Flames traded for him. There was no serious playoff success in his history

But yes, based on reputation, some one may overpay for him…hopefully
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Old 01-23-2024, 09:54 AM   #17819
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We heard this same drivel when Sharangovich was acquired..

"Why would we trade for a healthy scratch"
"Why would we trade for a 70 point player for a 30 point player"

A large portion of fans seemingly have no ability to analyze a player past their most recent performance. Listen, I have been frustrated as all hell will Lindholm this year as well, but to just ignore what he has accomplished over the past five years here, and only focus on a half seasons worth of play is so disingenuous to the player he is, and has become. Even last year many were down on him since he wasn't a "point per game" center, but his analytics were still high end and he carried around Dillon Dube and Tyler Toffoli to career high seasons. His play this year may hurt his value ever so slightly, but I am willing to bet it's close to a non factor. He's a proven talent in this league. GM's don't hyperfocus on small sample sizes. In fact Giroux and ROR are perfect examples of these acquisitions turning their seasons around after a change of scenery.
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https://theathletic.com/5215145/2024...der-the-radar/

NHL trade candidates under the radar: 10 players who are falling out of favour

Philip Broberg, Edmonton Oilers

Nick Robertson, Toronto Maple Leafs

Morgan Frost, Philadelphia Flyers

Oliver Wahlstrom, New York Islanders

Arthur Kaliyev, Los Angeles Kings

Pierre-Olivier Joseph, Pittsburgh Penguins

Victor Olofsson, Buffalo Sabres

Erik Brännström, Ottawa Senators

Alexandre Texier, Columbus Blue Jackets

Jonatan Berggren, Detroit Red Wings
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