Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Torture

Three names leading the speculation so far - Ganley, Hoffman, Pancholi. Probably safe to put Phillips in the contender category as well, we'll see if she launches a campaign, rumour is she's not interested.



https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...ysis-1.7061516

Of the big three, party members tell me that if Hoffman were to win, you can kiss Calgary goodbye. Too much of an OG NDP-leftist idealist. Ganley being from Calgary brings some positives in getting more support from Calgary. Intelligent but comes across but may not have the personality to operate well as a leader. Pancholi is very intelligent and knows her sh1t. A centrist and pretty charismatic. Having met her and talked with her, I'm leaning her way but have not made my mind up yet until I have a chance to meet Ganley.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by belsarius

He does realize that means he also becomes a member of the Federal NDP and must sign a declaration that he is not a supporter of any other political party?

Lying has never been a obstacle for the Conservative politicians in this province before, why would it be now?

Originally Posted by D as in David

Of the big three, party members tell me that if Hoffman were to win, you can kiss Calgary goodbye. Too much of an OG NDP-leftist idealist. Ganley being from Calgary brings some positives in getting more support from Calgary. Intelligent but comes across but may not have the personality to operate well as a leader. Pancholi is very intelligent and knows her sh1t. A centrist and pretty charismatic. Having met her and talked with her, I'm leaning her way but have not made my mind up yet until I have a chance to meet Ganley.

Pancholi and Ganley are the only two that I think give the NDP any chance as well.

[Reggie Dunlop]

I guess the TBA group is stealing from the Jason Kenney playbook. Take over an established party and merge it with the UCP. They stand a good chance of succeeding, or at the very least make an ungovernable shambles that the party.

They're very well organized.

[calgarygeologist]

Smart move by Notley as this gives the party and new leader four years to establish themselves before the next election. The new leader has lots of time to introduce themselves to the people of Alberta and if they want to make policy changes they can fully think them through.

[powderjunkie]

David Shephard doesn't necessarily have the resumé, but I think he might have the best presence and charisma.

But an outsider might be ideal IMO.

[ThisIsAnOutrage]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

David Shephard doesn't necessarily have the resumé, but I think he might have the best presence and charisma.

But an outsider might be ideal IMO.

I agree. I like Shep. He seems to have his head screwed on right.

[FurnaceFace]

With a new leader can they get a new party? I still contend if they were called something other than the NDP and a colour other than orange, they would have won the last election. Too many people can’t vote “Orange” even though the party actually represents their values.

He seems happy being retired, but Nenshi leading that party would be interesting. He’d run rings around Smith, but likely piss off too many.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by FurnaceFace

With a new leader can they get a new party? I still contend if they were called something other than the NDP and a colour other than orange, they would have won the last election. Too many people can’t vote “Orange” even though the party actually represents their values.

He seems happy being retired, but Nenshi leading that party would be interesting. He’d run rings around Smith, but likely piss off too many.

This should have been an effing no brainer.... 6 years ago.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by FurnaceFace

With a new leader can they get a new party? I still contend if they were called something other than the NDP and a colour other than orange, they would have won the last election. Too many people can’t vote “Orange” even though the party actually represents their values.

He seems happy being retired, but Nenshi leading that party would be interesting. He’d run rings around Smith, but likely piss off too many.

Nenshi changing the name to anything else (Ideas party, whatever) and the colour to purple wins in a landslide. I would guess he may not be interested.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by ThisIsAnOutrage

I agree. I like Shep. He seems to have his head screwed on right.

Can't take him seriously with that bow tie though.

Of the big three, party members tell me that if Hoffman were to win, you can kiss Calgary goodbye. Too much of an OG NDP-leftist idealist. Ganley being from Calgary brings some positives in getting more support from Calgary. Intelligent but comes across but may not have the personality to operate well as a leader. Pancholi is very intelligent and knows her sh1t. A centrist and pretty charismatic. Having met her and talked with her, I'm leaning her way but have not made my mind up yet until I have a chance to meet Ganley.

Fair or not to Hoffman, I tend to agree. Actually I pretty much agree with your assessment of all three.

[The Fisher Account]

On the Nenshi subject.. seriously.. what has he been up to? I can't find out anywhere.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by The Fisher Account

On the Nenshi subject.. seriously.. what has he been up to? I can't find out anywhere.

Retweeting NDP talking points en-masse, which bodes well for some of the speculation here.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

This should have been an effing no brainer.... 6 years ago.

It’s interesting because there was a third option(The Alberta Party) on the ballot 6 years ago for all the people who couldn’t stomach voting for either the NDP or the UCP yet somehow they couldn’t even manage to get 10% of votes.

I really think people are kidding themselves when they say the name is the biggest or only reason why the NDP lost the last 2 elections rather than the fact that there are a lot of voters in this province who despite what they might say publicly simply won’t vote for anyone other than the Conservative party of the day.

[The Fisher Account]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Retweeting NDP talking points en-masse, which bodes well for some of the speculation here.

Ah, so still being a good person. Good to know.

[Canadianman]

Whoever promises to change the name of the party will get my vote. Ideally, merge with the Alberta Party.

[Fuzz]

It's hilarious that a new leader, or name, or colour will convince people to vote for another party, but without that, well, Danielle ####ing Smith is obviously the better choice.


No, the reality is people are just too stupid, and we'll be stuck being led by morons until we get a better education system, which can't happen with science denying morons in charge. So here comes another 40 years of suck.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

This should have been an effing no brainer.... 6 years ago.

*everybody downs a shot*

[TorqueDog]

Nenshi? He's been podcasting with Farkas.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

It’s interesting because there was a third option(The Alberta Party) on the ballot 6 years ago for all the people who couldn’t stomach voting for either the NDP or the UCP yet somehow they couldn’t even manage to get 10% of votes.

I really think people are kidding themselves when they say the name is the biggest or only reason why the NDP lost the last 2 elections rather than the fact that there are a lot of voters in this province who despite what they might say publicly simply won’t vote for anyone other than the Conservative party of the day.

This conundrum cycles in my mind. If a subset of voters are lacking the intellect or fortitude to not vote against their own best interests out of some lazy political tradition, maybe something as blatantly silly like re-branding could pull them away from the Conservatives. It's just so stupid it could work!

However, if they are already this deprived of political awareness, what logical difference is a new leader and colour scheme going to make against "True Blue!"?

It's a real pickle.

[Regorium]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

It’s interesting because there was a third option(The Alberta Party) on the ballot 6 years ago for all the people who couldn’t stomach voting for either the NDP or the UCP yet somehow they couldn’t even manage to get 10% of votes.

I really think people are kidding themselves when they say the name is the biggest or only reason why the NDP lost the last 2 elections rather than the fact that there are a lot of voters in this province who despite what they might say publicly simply won’t vote for anyone other than the Conservative party of the day.

The problem with the AB party was that the NDP still existed and it became a vote-splitting exercise rather than a true centrist option.

The AB party was also filled with morons so that didn't help either.

I think the NDP rebrand might help still because it'll prevent another AB party-type to come out of the woodwork to siphon votes away.