Ongoing General Automotive Thread 2.0

[zamler]

Being able to heat the car from anywhere via the app is sooooooooooo nice.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by timun

Yeah, as someone who's about as big a Tesla-hater as you'll find, I'm always surprised at how silly complaints about cold-weather performance of an electric car seem. The biggest complaint I've heard is the reduction in range due to battery power being spent on heating the cabin and the battery itself. Which is... whatever, it is what it is, but I think it's silly and unfair to single electric cars out for "reduced range" as a "cold-weather performance issue". All cars have "reduced range" in the winter. My car certainly goes through a hell of a lot more gasoline in the winter than it does in the summer...

Ya, that's true, and for most people it's a non-issue. And most families have 2 vehicles, so shouldn't have much problem making at least one of them an EV. But if you do want to use it for visiting family regularly in Edmonton, or going skiing in the mountains it does become an issue to consider, because you no longer have a quick fill up on route, nor will you probably pre-heat the cabin if you have to mind every watt.


I've kinda found a quick shorthand for winter range is to use the miles range number as km in the winter, just for an idea of how it translates.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by timun

Yeah, as someone who's about as big a Tesla-hater as you'll find, I'm always surprised at how silly complaints about cold-weather performance of an electric car seem. The biggest complaint I've heard is the reduction in range due to battery power being spent on heating the cabin and the battery itself. Which is... whatever, it is what it is, but I think it's silly and unfair to single electric cars out for "reduced range" as a "cold-weather performance issue". All cars have "reduced range" in the winter. My car certainly goes through a hell of a lot more gasoline in the winter than it does in the summer...

Look...I dont disagree.

Its a mental thing. I'm also a 'late adopter' when it comes to products like this. I might come around at some point, but I'm not going to get in line to get something brand new.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by zamler

Being able to heat the car from anywhere via the app is sooooooooooo nice.

Yeah, it is a really nice feature and I can do that with my gasser as well.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Yeah, it is a really nice feature and I can do that with my gasser as well.

I didn't know you can run the gas engine when the car is garaged. Good to know.

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by zamler

I didn't know you can run the gas engine when the car is garaged. Good to know.

A garage? Well ooh la di da Mr. French man.

[chummer]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Can you elaborate on specific complaints?

Saw some stories on the news that Tesla owners during the cold snap were only getting half the range they normally would. And the last month a couple of Hyundai owners were quoted 60k to replace a battery on an IONIQ 5. Yikes.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by zamler

I didn't know you can run the gas engine when the car is garaged. Good to know.

I didn’t know you needed to heat an electric car in a heated garage. Good to know.

[DownInFlames]

A tire inflator is nice but a hydraulic jack is a must have in my vehicles.

[Brendone]

When did it become normal for shops to insist rotors need to be replaced when pad replacement is due? I call BS.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Brendone

When did it become normal for shops to insist rotors need to be replaced when pad replacement is due? I call BS.

Naw...thats pretty standard.

The rotors and pads wear into each other. If you replace one but not the other there is going to be an uneven wear pattern and you're going to get 'shuddering' when braking.

You can replace the pads and get the rotors 'turned' which is basically just having them shaved flat, but you diminish their useful life.

[speede5]

Originally Posted by Locke

You can replace the pads and get the rotors 'turned' which is basically just having them shaved flat, but you diminish their useful life.

The labor to get them turned usually makes replacement the better option unfortunately.

[Brendone]

Originally Posted by Locke

Naw...thats pretty standard.

The rotors and pads wear into each other. If you replace one but not the other there is going to be an uneven wear pattern and you're going to get 'shuddering' when braking.

You can replace the pads and get the rotors 'turned' which is basically just having them shaved flat, but you diminish their useful life.

Seems like rotors are built with such small margins, no one will turn them these days. I’ve only replaced the rotors a couple times when they’re warped or highly grooved. I’ve found if they’re relatively smooth and I bed them properly, they perform great. No noise, shuddering etc. Just seems recently they always want to replace both when the pads are due, regardless of rotor condition.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by speede5

The labor to get them turned usually makes replacement the better option unfortunately.

You're absolutely right.

The only exception being if they're some kind of 'specialized' performance rotor, in which case again, you'd want to replace pads and rotors at the same time.

So...yeah, pads and rotors at the same time. Pretty much always.

[chedder]

Originally Posted by Brendone

When did it become normal for shops to insist rotors need to be replaced when pad replacement is due? I call BS.

Seems to be the way the automotive business has gone, unfortunately. Replace everything. Do as little diagnosis and repair as possible. Best to find a small repair shop you trust.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Brendone

Seems like rotors are built with such small margins, no one will turn them these days. I’ve only replaced the rotors a couple times when they’re warped or highly grooved. I’ve found if they’re relatively smooth and I bed them properly, they perform great. No noise, shuddering etc. Just seems recently they always want to replace both when the pads are due, regardless of rotor condition.

Yeah. I think thats pretty standard.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I didn’t know you needed to heat an electric car in a heated garage. Good to know.

I don't heat it in the winter, not when cars are inside this massively accelerates rust. Nice try though.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by zamler

I don't heat it in the winter, not when cars are inside this massively accelerates rust. Nice try though.

You heat in the summer?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

You heat in the summer?

He’s very smart.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

You heat in the summer?

Is he UCB?