2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Lanny_McDonald]

Colorado is saving Byram for a trade with New Jersey for McLeod.

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by dammage79

The Avs may not have Gauthier high on their rankings list either. Tough to know.

Agreed. He's also not a proven NHL player. Yet.

[getbak]

Can't trade Coleman. Next season's a guaranteed Cup for him...

https://twitter.com/user/status/1745973449535967487

Spoiler!

[getoverit]

Don’t agree. Avalanche are in win now mode. Come on Lindy

Originally Posted by dammage79

The Avs may not have Gauthier high on their rankings list either. Tough to know.

[Royle9]

Zegras out with a broken ankle 6-8 weeks.
Not ideal if they were going to trade him.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Zegras out with a broken ankle 6-8 weeks.
Not ideal if they were going to trade him.

Ya, that is probably a draft deal now.

[stemit14]

What would everyone’s reaction be to the next few weeks leading up to the trade deadline going like this…

-Flames sign Hanifin to an 8 year deal with a $7.25 million AAV.
-Flames sign Chris Tanev to a 2 year deal with a $3 million AAV.
-Flames trade Markstrom (30% retained) to the Devils for 2024 1st + 2nd.
-Flames trade Lindholm (50% retained) to Colorado for 2024 1st + 2nd + B-level prospect.
-Kyllington plays the last 8 games leading up to the trade deadline and is looking good on a pairing with Tanev.
-Huberdeau is still over a PPG player since the new year.
-Flames go into the TDL holding the final wildcard spot by a single point. The team right behind them sitting just outside the playoffs is Edmonton.

Two first round picks and two second round picks accrued. The defence remains intact. Room made for Wolf but the flames lose their MVP of the season (so far). The team still has a shot at remaining in the playoff race but is, overall, likely not as good of a team as they are right now. However, the team remains likely too good to drop much in the standings for the final few weeks of the season so their pick likely won’t get much better without crazy luck from the lottery.

Is this the best of both worlds (competitive while gaining lots of draft picks) or is this the worst scenario where the team is too much in the mushy middle?

[DoubleK]

Devils don't have a 2024 2nd.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by Groot

Trade Hanifin for a young forward with a high ceiling. Holtz has 19 points, 2 less than Mercer while playing 5 minutes per night less. And Holtz plays with Lazar and McLeod, Mercer with Hirschier and Haula. If you can add a late pick or Dube to get McLeod them do that also.

Holtz has been playing with Meier and Mercer when they have been healthy, which has been all of 5 games this year.

Lazar McLeod Bastian was the 4th line.

[Cycling76er]

Originally Posted by stemit14

What would everyone’s reaction be to the next few weeks leading up to the trade deadline going like this…

-Flames sign Hanifin to an 8 year deal with a $7.25 million AAV.
-Flames sign Chris Tanev to a 2 year deal with a $3 million AAV.
-Flames trade Markstrom (30% retained) to the Devils for 2024 1st + 2nd.
-Flames trade Lindholm (50% retained) to Colorado for 2024 1st + 2nd + B-level prospect.
-Kyllington plays the last 8 games leading up to the trade deadline and is looking good on a pairing with Tanev.
-Huberdeau is still over a PPG player since the new year.
-Flames go into the TDL holding the final wildcard spot by a single point. The team right behind them sitting just outside the playoffs is Edmonton.

Two first round picks and two second round picks accrued. The defence remains intact. Room made for Wolf but the flames lose their MVP of the season (so far). The team still has a shot at remaining in the playoff race but is, overall, likely not as good of a team as they are right now. However, the team remains likely too good to drop much in the standings for the final few weeks of the season so their pick likely won’t get much better without crazy luck from the lottery.

Is this the best of both worlds (competitive while gaining lots of draft picks) or is this the worst scenario where the team is too much in the mushy middle?

Why does Tanev sign that deal?

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Cycling76er

Why does Tanev sign that deal?

Because that's what he's likely to get on the open market? He's no spring chicken and his style of play is certain to catch up to him. You don't pay a player for what he's done, you pay a player for what he's going to do, and Tanev is at the age where things start falling off, and quickly.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Something to consider with all of these projected trades is the potential for retention. Does anyone know how many trade the Flames have retained salary on? ONE. When they traded Rittich to the Leafs they retained $1.35M in cap hit, which is around $400K in real money. That's it. If retention is used, and that is a big if at this point, they are going to use it with minimal impact in real money. I find it very hard to believe they would retain on Markstrom as he has multiple years left on his contract and Edwards would not be happy paying a guy to play for an other team. It just isn't who he is. If retention is used it will be on expiring contracts where the real money is minimal and helps get a player under the other team's cap for the remainder of this season. That will be it. That is consistent with the business practices of the club and until they retain significant amount in any deal, even that seems unlikely. Retention is a great thing to think about, but to date, this team has not been willing to use the mechanism. I expect they will take back equal contracts rather than flat out retain. It's what they have done in the past and is their expected behavior.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by stemit14

What would everyone’s reaction be to the next few weeks leading up to the trade deadline going like this…

-Flames sign Hanifin to an 8 year deal with a $7.25 million AAV.
-Flames sign Chris Tanev to a 2 year deal with a $3 million AAV.
-Flames trade Markstrom (30% retained) to the Devils for 2024 1st + 2nd.
-Flames trade Lindholm (50% retained) to Colorado for 2024 1st + 2nd + B-level prospect.
-Kyllington plays the last 8 games leading up to the trade deadline and is looking good on a pairing with Tanev.
-Huberdeau is still over a PPG player since the new year.
-Flames go into the TDL holding the final wildcard spot by a single point. The team right behind them sitting just outside the playoffs is Edmonton.

Two first round picks and two second round picks accrued. The defence remains intact. Room made for Wolf but the flames lose their MVP of the season (so far). The team still has a shot at remaining in the playoff race but is, overall, likely not as good of a team as they are right now. However, the team remains likely too good to drop much in the standings for the final few weeks of the season so their pick likely won’t get much better without crazy luck from the lottery.

Is this the best of both worlds (competitive while gaining lots of draft picks) or is this the worst scenario where the team is too much in the mushy middle?

This isn’t the best scenario. We need to start acquiring some high end offensive assets. Magic beans don’t get it done, especially since I’m not confident in the Flames scouting team. Weaponize cap space and retention to acquire actual prospects. This team needs to accept they are not close to being a contender, need to make the required moves to try to build a contender level core in the future.

Hanifin needs to go, having the prototypical good season being a contract year. He will come back down and resume the average/mediocre play we have seen in seasons past. If they do decide to sign Hanifin, then Andersson must go. Neither of these guys are the elite top pair type defenseman that you build a contender around.

[Derek Sutton]

Originally Posted by dammage79

The Avs may not have Gauthier high on their rankings list either. Tough to know.

Avs are also in win now mode and Byram gives them that much mire then Gauthier does. Further, Bowen will not be moved for a rental, would make no sense to giving up a 22 year old, who would be a top pairing Dman on 20 other teams, for any sort of rental.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

This isn’t the best scenario. We need to start acquiring some high end offensive assets. Magic beans don’t get it done, especially since I’m not confident in the Flames scouting team. Weaponize cap space and retention to acquire actual prospects. This team needs to accept they are not close to being a contender, need to make the required moves to try to build a contender level core in the future.

Hanifin needs to go, having the prototypical good season being a contract year. He will come back down and resume the average/mediocre play we have seen in seasons past. If they do decide to sign Hanifin, then Andersson must go. Neither of these guys are the elite top pair type defenseman that you build a contender around.

Poor take.

You can’t build a winner around Anderson and Hanifin? Why? Weren’t the Flames contenders two years ago with largely the same D-core? Good players are good players. You don’t get rid of them unless it actually makes you better, or you’re forced to.

I don’t think these conclusions your jumping to are as simple as you like to think.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Poor take.

You can’t build a winner around Anderson and Hanifin? Why? Weren’t the Flames contenders two years ago with largely the same D-core? Good players are good players. You don’t get rid of them unless it actually makes you better, or you’re forced to.

I don’t think these conclusions your jumping to are as simple as you like to think.

You also trade them when their contract demands are not in line with your contention window. Flames cannot continue to sign older players to 8 year contracts that take them into their late 30’s.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

You also trade them when their contract demands are not in line with your contention window. Flames cannot continue to sign older players to 8 year contracts that take them into their late 30’s.

Hanifin would be 35. That’s not late 30’s.

Cale Makar will be 29 when he’s up for a contract. Wonder which dumbass GM is going to sign him to an 8 year deal.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by stemit14

What would everyone’s reaction be to the next few weeks leading up to the trade deadline going like this…

-Flames sign Hanifin to an 8 year deal with a $7.25 million AAV.
-Flames sign Chris Tanev to a 2 year deal with a $3 million AAV.
-Flames trade Markstrom (30% retained) to the Devils for 2024 1st + 2nd.
-Flames trade Lindholm (50% retained) to Colorado for 2024 1st + 2nd + B-level prospect.
-Kyllington plays the last 8 games leading up to the trade deadline and is looking good on a pairing with Tanev.
-Huberdeau is still over a PPG player since the new year.
-Flames go into the TDL holding the final wildcard spot by a single point. The team right behind them sitting just outside the playoffs is Edmonton.

Two first round picks and two second round picks accrued. The defence remains intact. Room made for Wolf but the flames lose their MVP of the season (so far). The team still has a shot at remaining in the playoff race but is, overall, likely not as good of a team as they are right now. However, the team remains likely too good to drop much in the standings for the final few weeks of the season so their pick likely won’t get much better without crazy luck from the lottery.

Is this the best of both worlds (competitive while gaining lots of draft picks) or is this the worst scenario where the team is too much in the mushy middle?

Why would the Flames need to retain on Markstrom? A less proven Kuemper was traded for more than that package at a higher salary than Markstrom would be in that deal.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

This isn’t the best scenario. We need to start acquiring some high end offensive assets. Magic beans don’t get it done, especially since I’m not confident in the Flames scouting team. Weaponize cap space and retention to acquire actual prospects. This team needs to accept they are not close to being a contender, need to make the required moves to try to build a contender level core in the future.

Hanifin needs to go, having the prototypical good season being a contract year. He will come back down and resume the average/mediocre play we have seen in seasons past. If they do decide to sign Hanifin, then Andersson must go. Neither of these guys are the elite top pair type defenseman that you build a contender around.

Heh “not confident in the Flames scouting team”. The Flames have arguably the greatest drafting record of any NHL team since 2015 and nobody would put them outside the top 6. The scouting department is the least of Flames fans worries.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by stemit14

What would everyone’s reaction be to the next few weeks leading up to the trade deadline going like this…

-Flames sign Hanifin to an 8 year deal with a $7.25 million AAV.
-Flames sign Chris Tanev to a 2 year deal with a $3 million AAV.
-Flames trade Markstrom (30% retained) to the Devils for 2024 1st + 2nd.
-Flames trade Lindholm (50% retained) to Colorado for 2024 1st + 2nd + B-level prospect.
-Kyllington plays the last 8 games leading up to the trade deadline and is looking good on a pairing with Tanev.
-Huberdeau is still over a PPG player since the new year.
-Flames go into the TDL holding the final wildcard spot by a single point. The team right behind them sitting just outside the playoffs is Edmonton.

Two first round picks and two second round picks accrued. The defence remains intact. Room made for Wolf but the flames lose their MVP of the season (so far). The team still has a shot at remaining in the playoff race but is, overall, likely not as good of a team as they are right now. However, the team remains likely too good to drop much in the standings for the final few weeks of the season so their pick likely won’t get much better without crazy luck from the lottery.

Is this the best of both worlds (competitive while gaining lots of draft picks) or is this the worst scenario where the team is too much in the mushy middle?

That is absolutely the worst scenario, especially with the Markstrom deal being very unlikely to happen and the Lindholm deal also unlikely.

Then chances we would hold onto the WC spot would be slim, the chances we do anything more than lose in 4 or 5 games almost zero, so you now locked down two players you should never have signed, missed out on getting quality assets for the slight chance of playing 4 or 5 games in the first round, not worth it at all.