2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

If you get out with 1st and Ritchie that's a win imo. Johansen isn't horrid either.

The thing is if you're taking Johansen back then you shouldn't have to retain.

If you're retaining and take Johansen back that means you're actually opening up space for the Avs, not just for this year (they'd save $1.6M) but by the tune of $4M next year too.

They'd have to pay premium for that.

If you look at that as the Flames saving them $5.6M of cap ($1.6M this year and the full $4M next year), then that's almost worth a first alone based on other cap retention valuations.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Yup if you're retaining AND taking Johansen then I'd want

1st
2nd
Ritchie
B Prospect
Johansen

You can't really bank that Johansen can be flipped for more value...Nashville retained 50% and got literally nothing back in return.

I would be very happy with that return. I think Ritchie is an A-level prospect. It’s rare to get those in trades for rental players but you might be right that the salary dump along with salary retention should return something more than the standard 1st + 2nd + B-prospect.

[ForeverFlameFan]

I’m doing whatever it takes to get Byram.

Give me Byram all day. He’s getting buried on the middle pairing when he’s a top pairing-potential D. And, he’s Canadian. I’d be figuring out a deal like that any day of the week.

Byram and Johansen for Dube and Lindholm (50%). Dube would be a good bottom 6 fit for Colorado for his speed.

Colorado can then use their 1st elsewhere to grab another top 6 winger and load up. Calgary walks away with byram and allows us to trade Hanifin.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

If you get out with 1st and Ritchie that's a win imo. Johansen isn't horrid either.

I've always liked Johansen as a player, even if he is grossly overpaid these days. Who knows, he might be invigorated by a trade here- probably not, but maybe. He had 63 points in 2021-22....

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Sandman

I've always liked Johansen as a player, even if he is grossly overpaid these days. Who knows, he might be invigorated by a trade here- probably not, but maybe. He had 63 points in 2021-22....

Imo, I think he’d do well with Hubs and Sharan.

[Groot]

Trade Lindholm for a top young defenseman. Byram is a perfect choice.

Don't try to get back extra by taking a cap dump like Johansen, keep it simple to get it done for Byram.

Byram + 1st for Lindholm 50% retained from Colorado. The math works straight across.

Trade Hanifin for a young forward with a high ceiling. Holtz has 19 points, 2 less than Mercer while playing 5 minutes per night less. And Holtz plays with Lazar and McLeod, Mercer with Hirschier and Haula. If you can add a late pick or Dube to get McLeod them do that also.

Holtz + McLeod + 1st for Hanfin + Dube + 4th

Trade Vladar for a 2nd with teams desperate for a goalie.

Extend Tanev if you can but keep him this season.

Move Zary to center between Huberdeau and Sharangovich. Those 3 get chemistry and the team dynamic changes for years going forward. Biggest thing for the team. Pelletier can take the LW spot by Kadri, then Holtz on RW

Byram takes Hanifin's spot, and Kylington makes a huge improvement on our bottom pair.

Huberdeau - Zary - Sharangovich
Pelletier - Kadri - Holtz
Mangiapane - Backlund - Coleman
Greer - McLeod - Pospisil

Weegar - Andersson
Byram - Tanev
Kylington - Desimone

Markstrom
Wolf

Then we would have 3 first round picks this year and 2nd round picks. The Flames would add 8 players through the draft this year, 5 in rounds 1 and 2. And we still have Coronato along with some other good prospects and a huge amount of cap space, like 20+ million in space next year.

I would be very happy about the state of the team this year as they will fight for a playoff spot with that lineup (I'd argue its better than what we have on the ice now) but also have a large draft pool and good prospect base to work off going forward.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Groot

Trade Lindholm for a top young defenseman. Byram is a perfect choice.

Don't try to get back extra by taking a cap dump like Johansen, keep it simple to get it done for Byram.

Byram + 1st for Lindholm 50% retained from Colorado. The math works straight across.

Trade Hanifin for a young forward with a high ceiling. Holtz has 19 points, 2 less than Mercer while playing 5 minutes per night less. And Holtz plays with Lazar and McLeod, Mercer with Hirschier and Haula. If you can add a late pick or Dube to get McLeod them do that also.

Holtz + McLeod + 1st for Hanfin + Dube + 4th

Trade Vladar for a 2nd with teams desperate for a goalie.

Extend Tanev if you can but keep him this season.

Move Zary to center between Huberdeau and Sharangovich. Those 3 get chemistry and the team dynamic changes for years going forward. Biggest thing for the team. Pelletier can take the LW spot by Kadri, then Holtz on RW

Byram takes Hanifin's spot, and Kylington makes a huge improvement on our bottom pair.

Huberdeau - Zary - Sharangovich
Pelletier - Kadri - Holtz
Mangiapane - Backlund - Coleman
Greer - McLeod - Pospisil

Weegar - Andersson
Byram - Tanev
Kylington - Desimone

Markstrom
Wolf

Then we would have 3 first round picks this year and 2nd round picks. The Flames would add 8 players through the draft this year, 5 in rounds 1 and 2. And we still have Coronato along with some other good prospects and a huge amount of cap space, like 20+ million in space next year.

I would be very happy about the state of the team this year as they will fight for a playoff spot with that lineup (I'd argue its better than what we have on the ice now) but also have a large draft pool and good prospect base to work off going forward.

Don’t think you could get Byram + 1st round pick for Lindholm as a rental. Same for the proposed return for Hanifin to New Jersey as a rental… I can’t remember the last time any rental players returned a 1st round pick + the team’s top young player/prospect. That’s what Holtz and Byram would be considered to be. Teams never want to subtract from their lineup when loading up for the playoffs. Both Byram and Holtz are valuable contributors to their teams right now. New Jersey and Colorado will want to send futures and cap dumps to make the salary work. The going rate for either of Lindholm or Hanifin (unsigned and with salary retained) is a 1st round pick + 2nd round pick + B-level prospect.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Groot

Trade Lindholm for a top young defenseman. Byram is a perfect choice.

Don't try to get back extra by taking a cap dump like Johansen, keep it simple to get it done for Byram.

Byram + 1st for Lindholm 50% retained from Colorado. The math works straight across.

Trade Hanifin for a young forward with a high ceiling. Holtz has 19 points, 2 less than Mercer while playing 5 minutes per night less. And Holtz plays with Lazar and McLeod, Mercer with Hirschier and Haula. If you can add a late pick or Dube to get McLeod them do that also.

Holtz + McLeod + 1st for Hanfin + Dube + 4th

Trade Vladar for a 2nd with teams desperate for a goalie.

Extend Tanev if you can but keep him this season.

Move Zary to center between Huberdeau and Sharangovich. Those 3 get chemistry and the team dynamic changes for years going forward. Biggest thing for the team. Pelletier can take the LW spot by Kadri, then Holtz on RW

Byram takes Hanifin's spot, and Kylington makes a huge improvement on our bottom pair.

Huberdeau - Zary - Sharangovich
Pelletier - Kadri - Holtz
Mangiapane - Backlund - Coleman
Greer - McLeod - Pospisil

Weegar - Andersson
Byram - Tanev
Kylington - Desimone

Markstrom
Wolf

Then we would have 3 first round picks this year and 2nd round picks. The Flames would add 8 players through the draft this year, 5 in rounds 1 and 2. And we still have Coronato along with some other good prospects and a huge amount of cap space, like 20+ million in space next year.

I would be very happy about the state of the team this year as they will fight for a playoff spot with that lineup (I'd argue its better than what we have on the ice now) but also have a large draft pool and good prospect base to work off going forward.

You might want to lower your expectations on a couple of rental players and backup goalie value. Can’t see any of those 3 deals you suggested happening.

[TOfan]

^Groot’s setting himself up for disappointment.


Love the idea of those trades but they seem a bit out of reach to me.

To keep expectations in check, what the Canucks got for Hovat would be a nice Lindholm comparable. Keep in mind, that return was also base on the Islanders knowing they could sign Horvat. If Lindholm isn’t giving the acquiring team the warm fuzzies, Flames should expect less.

At this point in time, I think it’s more likely the Flames resign Hanifin than move him.

If a team is offering a third for Vladar right now, I’m probably taking that just to move salary and create a spot for Wolf. I might even move him for less to get Wolf up before the deadline.

I think the real unknown is if there’s another deal, Markstrom or another vet with term that gets moved that brings in a substantial package.

The Flames should be looking at incremental improvements. Thinking they’re going to hit back to back to back home runs is unrealistic. The Toffoli trade is a good example.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Any team heading into the playoffs is unlikely to give up a roster player, let alone two, regardless of what is coming back. The Devils are not going to give up 2/3 of their third line to acquire Hanifin. That's just crazy talk. Avs aren't moving Byram. You win because you have more talent in areas other teams do not. Having Byram on the second pairing give them a big advantage, why would they give that up? They have other assets to plug holes elsewhere.

One last thing, Dube is not some sweet add in a deal. I would argue that Dube would be a negative to deal as his game has completely lost him. He's struggling so badly that he stands out for all the wrong reasons. Plus, he's getting outscored by Chris Tanev and is tied in points with part time player Dennis Gilbert. Not a player that anyone is going to be kicking the doors down to get, especially with a $2.3M hit. Every team in the league has players performing like Dube on their minor league roster (as do the Flames).

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Any team heading into the playoffs is unlikely to give up a roster player, let alone two, regardless of what is coming back. The Devils are not going to give up 2/3 of their third line to acquire Hanifin. That's just crazy talk. Avs aren't moving Byram. You win because you have more talent in areas other teams do not. Having Byram on the second pairing give them a big advantage, why would they give that up? They have other assets to plug holes elsewhere.

One last thing, Dube is not some sweet add in a deal. I would argue that Dube would be a negative to deal as his game has completely lost him. He's struggling so badly that he stands out for all the wrong reasons. Plus, he's getting outscored by Chris Tanev and is tied in points with part time player Dennis Gilbert. Not a player that anyone is going to be kicking the doors down to get, especially with a $2.3M hit. Every team in the league has players performing like Dube on their minor league roster (as do the Flames).

Well that’s why I included him with Lindholm because Johansen is also a cap dump. Dube expires this year and likely realizes he has to slice that current cap hit in half. What better way to build up your value than playing for a cup contending team that usually gets riddled with injuries? Perhaps he can find a gear like Colorado Compher did.

The main priority is Byram, if available.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

The main priority is Byram, if available.

I would count him as unavailable. Why would Colorado trade him? He punches way above his cap hit. He creates a massive hole at a key position that will cost more to plug than the center position. For what reason would Colorado be inclined to trade away a player like Byram when they are considered a cup favorite? The talk of Byram being available is because people recognize how good he is and what a core piece he would be. Would you trade him if he was on your roster? No. That would be shooting yourself in the foot to get out of the war and taking the whole leg off.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

I would count him as unavailable. Why would Colorado trade him? He punches way above his cap hit. He creates a massive hole at a key position that will cost more to plug than the center position. For what reason would Colorado be inclined to trade away a player like Byram when they are considered a cup favorite? The talk of Byram being available is because people recognize how good he is and what a core piece he would be. Would you trade him if he was on your roster? No. That would be shooting yourself in the foot to get out of the war and taking the whole leg off.

Byram would be made available so Colorado sticks with Girard and Manson as the middle pairing. They’re acquiring a player that fills a glaring weakness, and honestly the perfect 2C behind MacKinnon. It’s not like we’re robbing them silly, we’re actually giving a quality player back, especially if you give him a great winger to play with like Nichuskin or Rantanen. Maybe even Landeskog if he can become healthy again next season.

Again, I don’t EXPECT this as the return, I’d be happy with Johansen + 1st + Ritchie, but my main ask would be Byram and how we could get that done. They’ve already extended Toews to 7 more years, he’s the top dog LD. If I’m Byram I’d love to go elsewhere. He’s got his cup. Now play on a team for a chance of top pairing minutes and a potential salary increase.

[CroCop]

If somehow available we would not get Bo without starting with our 1st round pick plus Lindholm. The only way he would be available is if he quietly asked for a trade to become a teams bonafide 1A Dman. He would that here but kind of a fanasty imo.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by CroCop

If somehow available we would not get Bo without starting with our 1st round pick plus Lindholm. The only way he would be available is if he quietly asked for a trade to become a teams bonafide 1A Dman. He would that here but kind of a fanasty imo.

I know it’s just a hypothetical but I’m not sure if I’ve ever heard of a player asking for a trade for the sake of being a number one, in hockey. They’ll ask for a trade if they’re being misused or under utilized as a middle or role player but Byram would be a number one on most teams if not for Makar. But Makar isn’t taking anything away from him as far as I can tell. I’m skeptical of the Avs in general. Sakic is astute. They don’t give away anything. He’d have to be part of the return back I’d think. But I’d want more assurance if not him and if it’s just picks. I’d want options to swap one year for another with the Avs.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by TOfan

^Groot’s setting himself up for disappointment.


Love the idea of those trades but they seem a bit out of reach to me.

To keep expectations in check, what the Canucks got for Hovat would be a nice Lindholm comparable. Keep in mind, that return was also base on the Islanders knowing they could sign Horvat. If Lindholm isn’t giving the acquiring team the warm fuzzies, Flames should expect less.

At this point in time, I think it’s more likely the Flames resign Hanifin than move him.

If a team is offering a third for Vladar right now, I’m probably taking that just to move salary and create a spot for Wolf. I might even move him for less to get Wolf up before the deadline.

I think the real unknown is if there’s another deal, Markstrom or another vet with term that gets moved that brings in a substantial package.

The Flames should be looking at incremental improvements. Thinking they’re going to hit back to back to back home runs is unrealistic. The Toffoli trade is a good example.

Expectations are really high
Lindholm and Hanifin are both free agents. without extensions, I cant see them fetching these big hauls, retention or not. Not sure what Vladar is worth either, not convinced its a second. Nobody wants Dube this year either, too many questions right now

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

If we take Johansson back and retain on Lindholm and all we get back is a late 1st, a late 2nd, and a B prospect I would be pretty damn underwhelmed.

But we're also getting cap space by not giving Lindholm an 8x$9M which has been the most important thing according to CP when other players have moved out.

[Erick Estrada]

Monahan is going to be available for a team looking for center depth and that's going to take some interest from Lindholm. It will be interesting to see the difference in returns between the two players as they are having similar seasons.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Monahan is going to be available for a team looking for center depth and that's going to take some interest from Lindholm. It will be interesting to see the difference in returns between the two players as they are having similar seasons.

I love Monny, but its not even close to being comparable between him and Lindholm.

Monahan will get a 2nd or 3rd and is a finisher, he is not going to push any contender over the top.

Lindholm brings a lot more to the table, he can play both special team units, he can move to the wing, he takes draws. He can thrive in the 2C spot. He can also skate circles around Monahan.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I love Monny, but its not even close to being comparable between him and Lindholm.



Monahan will get a 2nd or 3rd and is a finisher, he is not going to push any contender over the top.



Lindholm brings a lot more to the table, he can play both special team units, he can move to the wing, he takes draws. He can thrive in the 2C spot. He can also skate circles around Monahan.

They don't need to be comparable for it to hurt the value for a return. "A poor man's version" is still a cheaper alternative for a team looking for c depth