2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Nobody really knows what were offered

But Treliving saw Huberdeau and Weegar as a mean for another all in shot before he ran

Probably an easy decision for him

It’s been reported from legitimate sources what was offered
Only 3 teams could even make offers due to lack of cap space from other teams on the list

[Hackey]

They got the Florida offer and that became their focus. It was a compete now deal, a perfect deal for Murray. Everything else went out the window after that. It was only four days between Tkachuk letting them know he wasn't returning and the deal being finalized.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

It’s been reported from legitimate sources what was offered
Only 3 teams could even make offers due to lack of cap space from other teams on the list

Ok but I doubt they even wanted to go the youth route

There was no attempt to trade Huberdeau or Weagar or any of the vets. He went the opposite and added Kadri for another run.

Treliving believe or know his time was running out with this team.

Conroy is cleaning up the mess now

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Ok but I doubt they even wanted to go the youth route

Bean admitted they considered it. Then the Huberdeau/Weegar offer came up and they decided to go that route.

[Hackey]

Exactly. They likely didn't even flush out any of the other deals. Would a single GM in the league not take Tkachuk over Kyrou if given the choice?

Maybe St Louis offered a weaker deal as a starting point but that's how negotiations typically work. I'm not sure why we would assume that was their best and final offer. How many negotiations close on the initial offer?

Zito really played that situation perfectly.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Exactly. They likely didn't even flush out any of the other deals. Would a single GM in the league not take Tkachuk over Kyrou if given the choice?

Maybe St Louis offered a weaker deal as a starting point but that's how negotiations typically work. I'm not sure why we would assume that was their best and final offer. How many negotiations close on the initial offer?

Zito really played that situation perfectly.

How many trade negotiations have you been part of?

[Bingo Jr.]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Yeah it was Scandella, tarasenko and a first

I swear I saw Kyrou, Krug and a 1st everywhere.

Maybe I'm losing it.

[Paulie Walnuts]

The timeline was provided by Treliving. The rumours of what packages and deals we had provided by legitimate sources.

We don't need to make things up and imagine things.

The Blues offer sucked and was pretty much crap.

The Carolina deal while not fully available was a future deal which sounds like Necas and a 1st.

The Florida offer obviously offered the best win now players and a 1st.

Everyone knew we needed to add another top 4 defenceman going into the offseason. We replaced the Gaudreau production with Huberdeau.

We didn't have any other team to trade with based on the list provided and Treliving said so that they eliminated them right away. So considering a player saying he won't sign and will only sign with these teams the two packages from Carolina and Florida are very good offers.

No one thought Huberdeau production would fall off to this extent.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

No one thought Huberdeau production would fall off to this extent.

Exactly, I remember multiple non-Flames fans telling me they thought the Flames won the deal. Nobody figured they would drop like they did.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Bingo Jr.

I swear I saw Kyrou, Krug and a 1st everywhere.

Maybe I'm losing it.

That one was just fan speculation

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Inferno

Exactly, I remember multiple non-Flames fans telling me they thought the Flames won the deal. Nobody figured they would drop like they did.

The guy was a legitimate star. He was on highlight reels just like the players we lost.

It's not like he had 1 good season he was above ppg prior to that and probably would have had another 100 point season if not for covid.

Now because he's struggling we get essays on why he's the worst ever and every play is dissected.

He didn't lose his skill over an offseason. A Canadian market with high expectations, a huge contract, a style that doesn't fit you and coach who is demanding destroyed his confidence it looks like. It's probably not easy going form a low pressure environment and adjusting to what he came into and not producing.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by chedder

Who wouldn't? But nobody is trading a 25 year old or younger superstar for a post apex centerman and a merely good dman.

Ofcourse. In the same vein that weegar + huberdeau centered return wasn't a good return for Chucky.

If Tre isnt at fault for his inability to get blue chip offers for Chucky because no one was offering them, then he failed in the sense that he created the situation where that could happen.

Sabres were able to get a good package for Eichel.
Jets/Columbus made a good deal when they were over a barrel with laine/PLD.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by traptor

Ofcourse. In the same vein that weegar + huberdeau centered return wasn't a good return for Chucky.



If Tre isnt at fault for his inability to get blue chip offers for Chucky then, because no one was offering them, then he failed in the sense that he created the situation where that could happen.

Sabres were able to get a good package for Eichel.
Jets/Columbus made a good deal when they were over a barrel with laine/PLD.

Tkachuk controlled his destination.

It's really easy to understand. It was explained by everyone. He went into the RFA period explored teams and had his agent call Treliving and tell him he was not signing a long term deal but would with this list of teams.

We also had a time crunch. How do you create a bidding war in a capped out league for a 10 million player? Which team will trade for him knowing he will only sign with certain teams?

It's not the same as Eichel at all not even close and even with Eichel not a lot of teams involved in a capped out league.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

The timeline was provided by Treliving. The rumours of what packages and deals we had provided by legitimate sources.

We don't need to make things up and imagine things.

The Blues offer sucked and was pretty much crap.

The Carolina deal while not fully available was a future deal which sounds like Necas and a 1st.

The Florida offer obviously offered the best win now players and a 1st.

Everyone knew we needed to add another top 4 defenceman going into the offseason. We replaced the Gaudreau production with Huberdeau.

We didn't have any other team to trade with based on the list provided and Treliving said so that they eliminated them right away. So considering a player saying he won't sign and will only sign with these teams the two packages from Carolina and Florida are very good offers.

No one thought Huberdeau production would fall off to this extent.

No one thought it would fall of to this extent but almost everyone knew it would fall off and no one was really expecting him to be a consistent 100 point threat. All the talking heads were saying he was an 80 point guy. That makes that a bad contract to begin with.

There were also lots of rumblings out of Floride due to poor playoff performance and the rumors thay he was going put to clubs during playoffs or whatever.

Alot of people thought we needed a complete rebuild after losing our two franchise cornerstones.


And if that's true and those are the best offers it's because Tree had 0 leverage in a situation he created. Complete failure.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Inferno

Bean admitted they considered it. Then the Huberdeau/Weegar offer came up and they decided to go that route.

All I recall Bean saying is that one of the deals they had on the table was a "rebuilding" type of deal, and that they would have taken it. The second part about the Huberdeau offer coming in later and insisting Treliving takes that deal instead, was something some people implied. I am not sure if I believe that though. I think it is just as likely that he had both deals on the table and had autonomy to take the one he thought was best, and he went with Huberdeau.

As Hackey mentioned, they were pissed off and embarrassed after the Gaudreau exit and Tkachuk saying he wasn't re-signing, so ego took over. I also would bet it was Trelving's ego that played a big role. I think he was already planning his own exit strategy from the Flames at that point and didn't want to do a "futures" kind of deal. He wanted to make a big splash to keep his reputation and didn't care about the team a few years down the road at that point.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Tkachuk controlled his destination.

It's really easy to understand. It was explained by everyone. He went into the RFA period explored teams and had his agent call Treliving and tell him he was not signing a long term deal but would with this list of teams.

We also had a time crunch. How do you create a bidding war in a capped out league for a 10 million player? Which team will trade for him knowing he will only sign with certain teams?

It's not the same as Eichel at all not even close and even with Eichel not a lot of teams involved in a capped out league.

Sure it's not the same. And your right all that was working against us.

But you know why? Because of the GMs failure. He created thay complete mess of a situation.

He either failed in the trade or failed because he created the situation where he had no leverage, but he failed and on a gigantic scale.

[Paulie Walnuts]

No I don't think Treliving said eff the Flames let me make this deal for my reputation.

We got players with no guarantee they would sign with us and it would a devastating for his reputation had neither signed and left as well. Maybe we flip them at the deadline but who knows what the return is.

The trade was a risk for the Flames and Treliving as well.

I think the toxicity of the season made him walk away.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

All I recall Bean saying is that one of the deals they had on the table was a "rebuilding" type of deal, and that they would have taken it. The second part about the Huberdeau offer coming in later and insisting Treliving takes that deal instead, was something some people implied. I am not sure if I believe that though. I think it is just as likely that he had both deals on the table and had autonomy to take the one he thought was best, and he went with Huberdeau.

He said that someone said "Should we just blow it up?". I also remember him saying they were surprised by the Huberdeau offer and didn't expect it.

They had that offer and another offer that was more futures based which was probably Carolina based on what St. Louis was reported to have offered.

[ComixZone]

It’s 2024 everybody. This trade is in the past. The GM that made it? Gone. Just let it be. There’s nothing new to bring to the conversation at this point.

[Jacks]

Deciding to give it a go with Huberdeau isn't all that surprising, as mentioned nobody expected him to drop off that much. It was a big gamble though considering we lost 2 stars and were replacing them with 1 and some depth.

The problem is that contract, you'd think they might have learned something from riding out the Lucic deal. If Huberdeau would only sign a toxic contract for the absolute top dollar with near maximum signing bonuses and a full NMC then that's the time to flip him for a big package of assets. He would have brought back a haul coming off a 115pt season at <6M in cap hit plus we wouldn't have had to throw away a 1st round pick to clear cap for Kadri. If the only option is to give out the worst contract in the league to a player before he plays a game with the team then it's time to walk away. As usual people want to blame everything on Edwards and give Treliving a pass but they both have blame for this fiasco.