2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Ped

There are Flames moves in the past that haven't worked out, where the hockey world was universally in love with the deal (Huberdeau, Jokinen, Bouwmeester). You can't criticize them after the fact for stuff no one sees coming.


It's the deals where are warning flags (like Neal) that you can proudly say you saw it coming, but otherwise, it's hall just hindsight quarterbacking.

Hindsight is for casual observers and fans. Professional team is supposed to know what they are doing. For example they should have known what kind of a player Huberdeau was and how he would fit into their team. They don’t get an easy pass when it doesn’t work by claiming he was a 115pt scorer and everyone liked the deal.

[Bingo Jr.]

Originally Posted by FusionX

They'd just come back as another name. Just ignore them. Block, skim over, do whatever. Eventually they'll get bored when no one feeds and it won't matter what name they use.

Exactly. Just ignore the attention seeker and he'll eventually get bored and leave. There's no point in giving him the time of day, it's just fuelling more 'factual' responses.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Ped

There are Flames moves in the past that haven't worked out, where the hockey world was universally in love with the deal (Huberdeau, Jokinen, Bouwmeester). You can't criticize them after the fact for stuff no one sees coming.


It's the deals where are warning flags (like Neal) that you can proudly say you saw it coming, but otherwise, it's hall just hindsight quarterbacking.

Was the Hubredeau signing universally loved?

I don't think so. People questioned the move right off the bat even the trade for him was not universally praised and had questions.

[Ped]

The signings not so much but everyone was praising Treliving for turning the Gaudreau and Tkachuk situation into Huberdeau, who was a proven elite scorer in Florida - not a flash in the pan.


And if you look at the situation, the Flames absolutely could not go into another season with a high-profile UFA coming up wondering whether or not they could keep him.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Ped

The signings not so much but everyone was praising Treliving for turning the Gaudreau and Tkachuk situation into Huberdeau, who was a proven elite scorer in Florida - not a flash in the pan.


And if you look at the situation, the Flames absolutely could not go into another season with a high-profile UFA coming up wondering whether or not they could keep him.

I somewhat agree with you but doesn't that then mean you should question the decision making that they themselves made the choice to put themselves in that position?

If they couldn't risk losing him to free agency that takes away any leverage they had and therefore they chose to put themselves into a situation where signing him to a long term very expensive deal was the only choice.

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by Ped

The signings not so much but everyone was praising Treliving for turning the Gaudreau and Tkachuk situation into Huberdeau, who was a proven elite scorer in Florida - not a flash in the pan.


And if you look at the situation, the Flames absolutely could not go into another season with a high-profile UFA coming up wondering whether or not they could keep him.

A lot of people were concerned about trading a star entering his prime for a star leaving his prime, and wanted Huberdeau flipped instead of signing an old guy. A professional team should have a better handle on that kind of thing, and be able to make those hard decisions better than the fans, but they didn't and tried to do CPR on a rotting corpse instead.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Ped

The signings not so much but everyone was praising Treliving for turning the Gaudreau and Tkachuk situation into Huberdeau, who was a proven elite scorer in Florida - not a flash in the pan.


And if you look at the situation, the Flames absolutely could not go into another season with a high-profile UFA coming up wondering whether or not they could keep him.

Not everyone. I wasn't big on the trade at the time. Listening to all the praise from other people started to convince me, but my original intuition ended up being correct.

[Derek Sutton]

Liked the trade then and still do today. Extending Huberdeau, almost immediately was the problem, then giving the first away to take on the Monohan deal was bad too. Flipping Huberdeau and retaining salary on his 21/22 contract, which many thought was going to happen, was the right thing to do.

Huberdeau 50% retained for Seth Jarvis and a 1st would’ve put the organization in such a better position.

[Royle9]

I got excited seeing 5 new pages in this thread since this morning.
Only not a single one had any rumours

Ho hum.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Royle9

I got excited seeing 5 new pages in this thread since this morning.
Only not a single one had any rumours

Ho hum.

Instead you got Spurs’ multi-hour-long “I know what you are but what am I” extravaganza.

You should feel lucky the monkey danced for us so long!

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by Ryan Coke

I raise you a Brian Elliot, 2016-2017 vs Anaheim.

Markstrom crapping the bed against the Oilers hurt way more

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

Markstrom crapping the bed against the Oilers hurt way more

It was certainly disappointing, but I will take an inglorious second round exit over a first round sweep at the hands of the Ducks every time.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Redrum

A lot of people were concerned about trading a star entering his prime for a star leaving his prime, and wanted Huberdeau flipped instead of signing an old guy. A professional team should have a better handle on that kind of thing, and be able to make those hard decisions better than the fans, but they didn't and tried to do CPR on a rotting corpse instead.

The Huberdeau contract is what happens when an owner gets his feelings hurt.

Nobody in the organization could’ve talked Edwards out of this.

I’m sure they tried - it’s widely known they had a futures based deal and a “win now” offer on table for Tkachuk and they went with the one Murray wanted.

At the end of the day, it’s Murray’s team. If he doesn’t want to do what the GM advises, the GM can resign.

Otherwise, the job is to carry out his orders.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

The Huberdeau contract is what happens when an owner gets his feelings hurt.

Nobody in the organization could’ve talked Edwards out of this.

I’m sure they tried - it’s widely known they had a futures based deal and a “win now” offer on table for Tkachuk and they went with the one Murray wanted.

At the end of the day, it’s Murray’s team. If he doesn’t want to do what the GM advises, the GM can resign.

Otherwise, the job is to carry out his orders.

I think this played a major role. I think they were pissed off and embarrassed and didn't want to look defeated. But that ego is what has lead them down such a terrible path that it's going to take them way longer to ever become elite again. If they would have taken a moment to properly assess things they would have realized they were in such a perfect situation to rebuild. Tkachuk for futures, Lindholm and Hanifin with 2 years left for futures, draft high in a very deep draft. No bad contracts on the books. Absolutely perfect start to a rebuild and you still have vets and good trade pieces in place to move over the next couple seasons. They really dropped the ball.

[traptor]

I would be stoked to turn hanifin + lindholm into petterson/robertson/stuztle.


At the end of it we were trading a 24 year old RFA superstar for x2 older pending UFAs.

Not getting a young blue chip back for Chucky was a huge failure.

[Jiri Hrdina]

No one was offering a young blue chip. Necas was the best on the table and they likely should have taken that route instead.

[chedder]

Originally Posted by traptor

I would be stoked to turn hanifin + lindholm into petterson/robertson/stuztle.


At the end of it we were trading a 24 year old RFA superstar for x2 older pending UFAs.

Not getting a young blue chip back for Chucky was a huge failure.

Who wouldn't? But nobody is trading a 25 year old or younger superstar for a post apex centerman and a merely good dman.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

No one was offering a young blue chip. Necas was the best on the table and they likely should have taken that route instead.

Yeah and IIRC the Blues offer didn't include anybody like Kyou or Thomas either. So the Carolina deal was the only one really with any youth power in it.

[Flamesfan05]

Nobody really knows what were offered

But Treliving saw Huberdeau and Weegar as a mean for another all in shot before he ran

Probably an easy decision for him

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Yeah and IIRC the Blues offer didn't include anybody like Kyou or Thomas either. So the Carolina deal was the only one really with any youth power in it.

Yeah it was Scandella, tarasenko and a first