2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by Spurs

That Flames team had no players that won the Cup with the Flames.

Doesn't matter. They still have experience winning a Cup.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Spurs

That Flames team had no players that won the Cup with the Flames.

None of the Knights had won the Cup with them either. We should have brought Lanny back I guess.

Flames had a good team at that time but paying for goaltending is a fool’s errand. You play 82 games to see how good the team is. A 4-7 game series is an insufficient sample size to make any conclusions about it.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by butterfly

None of the Knights had won the Cup with them either. We should have brought Lanny back I guess.

Flames had a good team at that time but paying for goaltending is a fool’s errand. You play 82 games to see how good the team is. A 4-7 game series is an insufficient sample size to make any conclusions about it.

I didn't say you need players that won a Cup with you I said that Boston gets a bit of the benefit of the doubt because they had shown they could win with that core so you could expect them to have success again with them. But that is far from the only reason to think they could have been more than just a fluke that last year.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Spurs

I didn't say you need players that won a Cup with you I said that Boston gets a bit of the benefit of the doubt because they had shown they could win with that core so you could expect them to have success again with them. But that is far from the only reason to think they could have been more than just a fluke that last year.

Who cares? Did any of Tampa Bay’s core when they got swept by the Jackets?

This traditional thinking is so out of touch.

[Jiri Hrdina]

So if we are only evaluating based on 20/20 than any team that doesn't win a cup wasn't actually a contender and should not have added players? Is that the premise?

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Spurs

Buys what crap?

Do I know that there are many Flames fans that aren't willing to admit the team makes mistakes? Can't handle criticism of the team? Of course that is clear as can be coming here everyday.

There is no I know you are, but what am I here, just pointing out the fact that although you are trying your best you can't keep up because you are fighting a losing battle. I was trying to help you out by pointing out that you were being harsh with the comment about you getting Zamboni'd you just have no chance because you are fighting against what actually happened.

I can handle criticism of the team just fine. There is plenty to pick on, and I mention them all the time.

Acquiring Markstrom wasn't one of them.

And your crap is in bold.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Who cares? Did any of Tampa Bay’s core when they got swept by the Jackets?

This traditional thinking is so out of touch.

What traditional thinking?

That a team that wins multiple Cups and then loses out in round one is a better team than the one that misses the play-offs multiple times and loses out in round one.

How is that traditional thinking?

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

So if we are only evaluating based on 20/20 than any team that doesn't win a cup wasn't actually a contender and should not have added players? Is that the premise?

Nope

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

So if we are only evaluating based on 20/20 than any team that doesn't win a cup wasn't actually a contender and should not have added players? Is that the premise?

I don't think it's even that well thought out.

It's ...

1) in an argument
2) never back down
3) doesn't matter how silly you look

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I can handle criticism of the team just fine. There is plenty to pick on, and I mention them all the time.

Acquiring Markstrom wasn't one of them.

And your crap is in bold.

There is no crap there just truth, trying to help you out there but if you don't want help that is fine no problem.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Spurs

What traditional thinking?

That a team that wins multiple Cups and then loses out in round one is a better team than the one that misses the play-offs multiple times and loses out in round one.

How is that traditional thinking?

Why does winning before mean you’re going to win again? Or you get the benefit of the doubt from it?

Ugh, I got sucked into arguing with you which isn’t the typical honest exchange of ideas that I enjoy.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Inferno

The Flames had players that won the Cup too.

They had a good team that happened to go in a slump at the worst time. It happens. Then things all went sideways after their two best players bailed on them.

Treliving made mistakes. Signing Markstrom and giving him a NMC wasn't one of them.

And even if he made a mistake in signing a particular player, it doesn't follow that signing that type of player was a mistake.

Signing James Neal was an error. Thinking the team needed a proven goalscorer with size to complement Gaudreau and Monahan wasn't necessarily a mistake.

Trading for Hamonic was a mistake. Thinking the team needed another solid defenceman who wasn't highly paid, to compliment Hamilton, Gio and Brodie was not necessarily an error.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Why does winning before mean you’re going to win again? Or you get the benefit of the doubt from it?

Ugh, I got sucked into arguing with you which isn’t the typical honest exchange of ideas that I enjoy.

LOL

Nobody said winning before means you are going to win again, I said it shows that they group has the ability to do it. That is different.

maybe if you want an honest exchange talk about what people said not making up your own ####.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Apparently you have to already be a highly successful team in order to make moves to take the next step.

If you don't win the Stanley Cup you should go back in time and not sign your #1 goalie in free agency. Fact.

Shesterkin...you're on watch.

[GioforPM]

So in order to make a move like signing a goalie, the team has to have already proven (somehow) that it can win a cup. But if so, why do you need that goalie?

I guess NJD shouldn't be looking for a goalie.

[Spurs]

Nobody has said any of those things but sure go on like anyone believes it, LOL

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Spurs

I didn't say you need players that won a Cup with you I said that Boston gets a bit of the benefit of the doubt because they had shown they could win with that core so you could expect them to have success again with them. But that is far from the only reason to think they could have been more than just a fluke that last year.

Yet...

Originally Posted by Spurs

That Flames team had no players that won the Cup with the Flames.

[Freeway]

So... how can the Flames learn from these asset management/acquisition mistakes going forward?

[Flamesfan05]

Hoping someone claims Samsonov so the wizard can make a move for Markstrom

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Hoping someone claims Samsonov so the wizard can make a move for Markstrom

At 3.55M nobody is claiming him