2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by dammage79

You don't have to see it.

How many people saw Sharangovich as a steal in the deal?

A few but not many. If he comes to CGY in a deal, ppl will moan and then turn their opinions around when they actually see what he can do on the ice in their jersey. He's a good player.

And we need good centers.

I for one will be just as keen on seeing McLeod play for CGY as I was when we got Sharky.

TBH, I'd much rather McLeod over Mangiapane, Dube, Ruzicka or Dueher. I think he's better than all of em.

You've overrated McLeod for at least 5 years now though.

He'd be a fine pickup but if you're spending assets to acquire him or if he's the centrepiece of a deal for one of our UFAs then that would be a mistake for the Flames.

He is what he is at this point with limited upside. Sharangovich had shown flashes of offensive upside with the Devils, McLeod has never looked like more than a bottom 6 Center at the NHL level.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by dammage79

You don't have to see it.

How many people saw Sharangovich as a steal in the deal?

A few but not many. If he comes to CGY in a deal, ppl will moan and then turn their opinions around when they actually see what he can do on the ice in their jersey. He's a good player.

And we need good centers.

I for one will be just as keen on seeing McLeod play for CGY as I was when we got Sharky.

TBH, I'd much rather McLeod over Mangiapane, Dube, Ruzicka or Dueher. I think he's better than all of em.

Sharangovich isn’t close to a steal and a reason why you don’t go for low ceiling, low skill players. You end up with middling guys that if your team ever gets good enough to compete have no space on the team.

[Sandman]

I do agree with dammage that McLeod would be an upgrade on Dube, Ruzicka, and a few others- even Mangiapane with how he’s played lately.

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

The point is obviously to go further, but getting to the cup is usually preceded by steps in that direction, and that’s what they took. Just because it fell apart in the offseason doesn’t mean the team that had been built up until that point wasn’t ready to compete for anything. That’s revisionist history.



The window was tiny because Gaudreau and Tkachuk leaving closed it, not because they didn’t rebuild properly.

Teams rebuild to get players like Tkachuk. We had him. We lost him. Doesn’t mean we didn’t rebuild properly to get him.

Well we know they didn't rebuild properly(if you consider it a rebuild at all). We got Gaudreau in a good late pick before the (non)rebuild. We tried our hardest NOT to rebuild 10 years ago and STILL got Tkachuk because Vancouver is no good. We have nothing left now because we rebuilt(or didn't) improperly AGAIN. The GM was actually dumb enough make the team worse AND even older.

Typically you want to pick up more than one player during a rebuild so you aren't always one layer thin, which the Flames were 2 years ago.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Who would the devils want to pry holtz away from them? Signed hanifin? Lindholm or tanev isn’t going to do it .

I am sure Hanifin would be in that deal

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Sandman

I do agree with dammage that McLeod would be an upgrade on Dube, Ruzicka, and a few others- even Mangiapane with how he’s played lately.

The Flames need upgrades to the top 6 though, not the 4th line. There is no need to spend assets rounding out your bottom 6 on a non playoff team.

[Monahammer]

If it's McLeod +1st for tanev and Marky no retention, imo it's a good deal. The 1st is pretty valuable and frankly I think we're very fortunate to potentially escape Markys remaining term unscathed. Imo that is better than the minten+ 1st + salary dumps trade I proposed 2 pages ago with Toronto rumors.

If we don't have to use a retention slot in that trade, I'd love to know what retained Coleman could be worth. Is it Brandon Hagel level?

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

If it's McLeod +1st for tanev and Marky no retention, imo it's a good deal. The 1st is pretty valuable and frankly I think we're very fortunate to potentially escape Markys remaining term unscathed.

The Flames would have to retain part of Marky's cap hit on a deal like this or at the very least take Vanacek back to make the cap work.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

The Flames would have to retain part of Marky's cap hit on a deal like this or at the very least take Vanacek back to make the cap work.

Meh, vanacek is a way more interesting goalie than Samsonov at least.

[TheScorpion]

Sharangovich had way more going for him than McLeod did. And I don't want another player who was on that 2018 Canadian WJC team.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Spurs

Yes your comment is very silly. Division titles with no play-off success isn’t impressive. If that’s why we signed him that is even more dumb than originally thought.

Good one!

No teams acquire talent to put themselves in a position to succeed in the playoffs. Winning the division suggests the roster build was effective.

They lost in the playoffs as many contending teams do every year.

So no not dumb at all, and your posts just get sillier.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Good one!

No teams acquire talent to put themselves in a position to succeed in the playoffs. Winning the division suggests the roster build was effective.

They lost in the playoffs as many contending teams do every year.

So no not dumb at all, and your posts just get sillier.

They didn't even come close to competing or winning for the play-offs. Many teams acquire players that make no sense for where they are and this is clearly a case of that.

Is is unfortunate that the truth is silly to you, but you are far from the only one.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by Spurs

Is is unfortunate that the truth is silly to you, but you are far from the only one.

Quoted for lack of “truth”. That is an “opinion”…and it is yours. Truth is something evident to all, but you keep insisting that your opinion is “truth”. It isn’t..and most of the time it isn’t even factual.

Give it a rest, pal.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I'd love to know what retained Coleman could be worth. Is it Brandon Hagel level?

Hagel was making$1.5M for 2.5 seasons when traded, and was 23.

Coleman is 32 with $4.9M cap hit. Even with 50% retention, that’s close to $2.5M for 3.5 years.

That would be a very tradable asset for sure. Hagel was a special case I think. Chicago had zero reason to trade him and TB needed to make an offer the Hawks could not refuse.

Now Calgary does not need to move Coleman.

I doubt he would bring back 2 first round picks, but 1 plus a decent prospect for sure.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

At this stage, if I said "2+2 = 4" You'd disagree. When my life is turned into a movie, your role won't have a name, it'll just be "Guy who disagrees with Blaster on everything."

I'll recommend they stunt cast someone cool for you though.

For a person who likes to dish it out, you are pretty damn sensitive. You stated an opinion. I disagreed with it. That's internetting. Get over it.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Spurs

They didn't even come close to competing or winning for the play-offs. Many teams acquire players that make no sense for where they are and this is clearly a case of that.

Is is unfortunate that the truth is silly to you, but you are far from the only one.

Teams build rosters to have successful regular seasons putting them in a favourable spot for a playoff run.

Then they either have the bounces, luck with injuries, and execution to pull it off.

Those are both truths.

Your nonsense is not.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Teams build rosters to have successful regular seasons putting them in a favourable spot for a playoff run.

Then they either have the bounces, luck with injuries, and execution to pull it off.

Those are both truths.

Your nonsense is not.

LOL it was one fluke season. We saw what happened in the play-offs and the following season that was not a team built for success, it was not a team that was a goalie away from competing.

They didn't lose because of bounce, injuries they lost because their team wasn't good enough.

And now it looks like we get stuck with Markstrom with nothing close to success. Giving him a NMC made no sense at the time and even less sense now.

[chummer]

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Spurs

LOL it was one fluke season. We saw what happened in the play-offs and the following season that was not a team built for success, it was not a team that was a goalie away from competing.

Yeah, nothing happened in the offseason that would have changed the direction of the team the following season. Genius stuff.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Yeah, nothing happened in the offseason that would have changed the direction of the team the following season. Genius stuff.

It is just common sense nothing genius, but for some people when they can't let themselves look at the the club in anything other than a homer way then even common sense becomes to hard for them to see.

It is a major problem when fans aren't able to look at their team with a critical eye in anyway and everything they do is the super duper awesomest.