2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by Sandman

According to a recent article by Lebrun in the Athletic, he can see a world where the Devils (bolstered by being without Dougie Hamilton's salary until the end of the season) aquire both Tanev AND Markstrom in a Mega-deal.

I wonder what a trade like that looks like…..

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

I wonder what a trade like that looks like…..

Can't even imagine, but the Devs are a team that have a ton of very attractive pieces.....

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Can't even imagine, but the Devs are a team that have a ton of very attractive pieces.....

+ having a deep young core makes it easier to ship futures. May or may not be the right move for them, but when comparing them to Washington, the Devils' futures are much easier to trade away.

[howard_the_duck]

I have less confidence than most that a) Markstrom will be dealt, and b) the return for him in the event of a trade would be all that substantial.

We haven’t seen goalies move, nor have we seen teams invest in them the way they used to. Add to that his significant contract and I think expectations around moving Markstrom for anything material should be tempered.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

+ having a deep young core makes it easier to ship futures. May or may not be the right move for them, but when comparing them to Washington, the Devils' futures are much easier to trade away.

If they think Marky is the answer for them, I can see them doing it.

I doubt they part with Mercer, as he is a large part of their present and future. But they have a lot of other interesting pieces.

It depends entirely if Marky will waive and especially if the Flames ownership is ready to throw in the towel, as Marky is keeping the Flames relevant these days.

[Flamesfan05]

The towel was thrown already

Just waiting for good offer to part with Lindholm, Hanifin, Tanev, Vladar and more

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

I have less confidence than most that a) Markstrom will be dealt, and b) the return for him in the event of a trade would be all that substantial.

We haven’t seen goalies move, nor have we seen teams invest in them the way they used to. Add to that his significant contract and I think expectations around moving Markstrom for anything material should be tempered.

While I generally agree with this, Marky could be a real difference maker to a team with contender status for the next while. I do have doubts the Flames ownership want to take this type of approach.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

The towel was thrown already

Just waiting for good offer to part with Lindholm, Hanifin, Tanev, Vladar and more

Not if they try and get back some NHL players back in those trades, then it’s a bit of a retool, and Marky is key to that.

[Flamesfan05]

The Devils still have time. They are not in position to go for Markstrom unless it’s cheap.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Not if they try and get back some NHL players back in those trades, then it’s a bit of a retool, and Marky is key to that.

He is 33 with 2 yrs left, they are delusional to think he is part of the retool. And they need more than a retool. They can’t trade themselves out of this.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

If they think Marky is the answer for them, I can see them doing it.

I doubt they part with Mercer, as he is a large part of their present and future. But they have a lot of other interesting pieces.

It depends entirely if Marky will waive and especially if the Flames ownership is ready to throw in the towel, as Marky is keeping the Flames relevant these days.

I would anticipate that no good young players are part of the return. I would assume a combination of draft picks, prospects not on the team, plus whatever cap dump they need to make it work (if they need it). I don't think that they would want to create a hole in their lineup.



I think that pretty much goes for all trades to any contending team - teams will not want to part with players that are contributing today, unless they need to make salaries work.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Sandman

According to a recent article by Lebrun in the Athletic, he can see a world where the Devils (bolstered by being without Dougie Hamilton's salary until the end of the season) aquire both Tanev AND Markstrom in a Mega-deal.

Maybe we can get a cap dump, a middling prospect, and a 2nd for them!

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

I have less confidence than most that a) Markstrom will be dealt, and b) the return for him in the event of a trade would be all that substantial.

We haven’t seen goalies move, nor have we seen teams invest in them the way they used to. Add to that his significant contract and I think expectations around moving Markstrom for anything material should be tempered.

Goalies aren't perceived as having a lot of importance - until you don't have one, and need one because you have a potentially contending team. For a team like Jersey, a good goalie is a huge asset, it's literally their missing piece.

Also, I think fans get too focused on the ups and downs of player performance. Other teams don't care that Markstrom had an off year last year, that's last-year-Calgary's problem. They care what he is: a good starting goalie that can carry a 60 game load. He has value at $6M, and he has significant value at $4M for this plus 2 more years.

If the Devils were looking at Tanev and Markstrom, I would think Markstrom would be the more expensive acquisition (at $4M, maybe not at $6M).

[GioforPM]

Of the teams people normally consider top level, NJD definitely have the worst starting goalie.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Of the teams people normally consider top level, NJD definitely have the worst starting goalie.

Have you seen the Leafs!

But both are horrible - and that may be a great thing if they actually decide to both try and acquire proper goaltending help

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Of the teams people normally consider top level, NJD definitely have the worst starting goalie.

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Have you seen the Leafs!

But both are horrible - and that may be a great thing if they actually decide to both try and acquire proper goaltending help

Both GMs are ####ting their pants about the situation. They’re ####ed in the playoffs with what they currently have. And they are both all in. Devils at least have a solid base of prospects if they miss or get bumped early. Leafs are ####ed if they don’t make the conference finals AT LEAST.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

He is 33 with 2 yrs left, they are delusional to think he is part of the retool. And they need more than a retool. They can’t trade themselves out of this.

I know that, and you know that, but the owners have steadfastly refused a scorched earth rebuild.

They'll make trades when UFA's to be won't sign.

But they don't generally trade productive players with term when it makes then worse.

[Flamescuprun2018]

With Holl returning from injury and Jones as backup don't see Leafs making a goaltending move. Holl and Jones numbers are solid. It is Samsanov that is terrible and destined for Marlies.

Tanev much more likely the target for them. Their 2024 1st round pick or forget it Tre.

When it comes to New Jersey the cap space tight but manageable although not sure how Hamilton and/or Nosek return impacts. They currently have just over 4 million of cap room at deadline. So Markstrom retained some would work especially with backup goalie going down to farm.

A 2024 1st plus an A-level prospect has to be the ask if we are retaining for 2 additional years. Markstrom addresses their most glaring weakness. Vanacek's numbers are horrible this year (82nd in GSAE) and their young goalies are too green. Hamilton likely back in time for playoff in Stonesque fashion so they are in position to make a run with good goaltending.

One of their high end D prospects should be the target. They have a few. Seamus Casey has some great productivity at NCAA. Our D prospect pool needs shoring up and it takes a long time to get Dmen NHL ready.

Source: https://pucksandpitchforks.com/posts...e-01hjmhb3dstc

NJ already has Hughes, Nemec and Leddy for future D core so can easily part with Casey despite his promise.

Casey plus a 2024 1st for Markstrom with 2 million retained on Markstrom would be my ask. Could take a UFA back for cap reasons if NJ preferred if a B level prospect or late pick added. NJ may need a bit more cap room accrued with players returning form LTIR before end of season.

Markstrom would waive NMC to start for a legit contender for this and two more seasons.


2024 1st + Casey for Markstrom with 2 million retained

or

2024 1st + Casey + Stillman + NJ UFA cap dump for Markstrom with 3 million retained.

[bluejays]

I don't think any of the true contenders would put their chips on Markstrom. I could see a team who is borderline and wanting to take a flyer on a bounceback from Markstrom. But who in their right mind would bet on Markstrom leading them to the promised land? I'd accept anything for him to get his cap hit off the roster at no cost to ourselves.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by bluejays

I don't think any of the true contenders would put their chips on Markstrom. I could see a team who is borderline and wanting to take a flyer on a bounceback from Markstrom. But who in their right mind would bet on Markstrom leading them to the promised land? I'd accept anything for him to get his cap hit off the roster at no cost to ourselves.

It’s only 2 years worth of chips. NJ is young enough to gamble on that - who’s around who is better who they can get?

I don’t think the Flames are too fussed over Markstrom’s cap hit over the next couple years anyway. They aren’t going to be UFA bidders and they don’t have any big extensions coming. If Markstrom can get a good return, great, if not, it doesn’t matter (though they have to make room for Wolf).