2022-23 Flu/covid/RSV season

[GGG]

Originally Posted by dirk diggler

now this is comical, everyone on here including you have amazing scientific minds, i didn't realize that. clearly i have been wrong, what was i thinking? thanks for the clarity. appreciate it.

https://www.canada.ca/en/public-heal...tion-naci.html

These people do.

What parts of their advice on vaccination do you follow? What parts of their advice do you disagree with. What is your basis for the advice you disagree with?

[2Stonedbirds]

Originally Posted by GGG

The Moderna RSV vaccine is currently sitting with the FDA for approval. Phase 3 testing is complete. Two non-MNRA vaccines have been approved this past year for RSV.

But not yet rolled out.

So the anecdote of "its rare to get myocarditis" or other adverse ailments from mRNA vaccines must only apply to covid shots from the last couple of years.

Not a long time frame to build long term data sets to be making conclusive statements on effects such as myocarditis.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

But not yet rolled out.

So the anecdote of "its rare to get myocarditis" or other adverse ailments from mRNA vaccines must only apply to covid shots from the last couple of years.

Not a long time frame to build long term data sets to be making conclusive statements on effects such as myocarditis.

HERSHEY, Pa. — The risk of developing myocarditis — or inflammation of the heart muscle — is seven times higher with a COVID-19 infection than with the COVID-19 vaccine, according to a recent study by Penn State College of Medicine scientists. Patients with myocarditis can experience chest pains, shortness of breath or an irregular heartbeat. In severe cases, the inflammation can lead to heart failure and death.


“Our findings show that the risk of myocarditis from being infected by COVID-19 is far greater than from getting the vaccine,” said Dr. Navya Voleti, a resident physician in the Department of Medicine at Penn State Health Milton S. Hershey Medical Center. “Moving forward, it will be important to monitor the potential long-term effects in those who develop myocarditis.”

https://www.psu.edu/news/research/st...d-19-vaccines/


If you are so concerned about myocarditis, that's a great reason to get vaccinated. And because most people have had covid, the increases in myocarditis are much more likely to be attributable to that.



Hasn't all this been explained and settled before? Are we in a time machine? What's going on here?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Hasn't all this been explained and settled before? Are we in a time machine? What's going on here?

There are still people who protest COVID restrictions every single Thursday. I’m afraid that once you hit a certain kind of stupid there’s really no amount of explaining that’s going to do the trick.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

But not yet rolled out.

So the anecdote of "its rare to get myocarditis" or other adverse ailments from mRNA vaccines must only apply to covid shots from the last couple of years.

Not a long time frame to build long term data sets to be making conclusive statements on effects such as myocarditis.

They don’t release vaccines without data sets…

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

The only thing in common governments have done over the decades is cut taxes because voters are morons, and it works.


They get studies done, and don't follow them. They get told where they need to spend money, and don't do it. They can't even tell people to get ####ing vaccinated anymore(preventive medicine, who would think of such a thing!), because of goddamn morons, idiots, and profiteers. And then we elect those people!


There is no hope anymore, society is ####ed, and I guess we all deserve it because selfishness is the key to survival.

Its impossible for provincial governments to present a functioning plan on what to do with the health care system when they have to deal with super high immigration numbers.

As an example I am optimistic about what the NDP can accomplish here in Manitoba, but they've been put into a terrible position because of the stupidity of the outgoing PC government who was basically corrupt, and the fact that Manitoba is not a rich province, has to deal with a bunch of issues with the Natives, but because of our low cost of living compared to other provinces, we have get more immigrants than our system can handle.

Canada is screwed because starting from the Feds, nobody is taking these issues seriously. We are not a serious country looking for serious solutions.

[Fuzz]

Were immigrants the problem when I experienced the exact same ####ing problems 13 years ago that had the same solutions then as we still have today...and haven't done? Because we desperately need to expand elder care, and you know who we probably need for that part of it? Immigrant workers. I'm not saying high levels of immigration are not causing problems, I do disagree with the current levels. But to suggest it's a main contributor is to ignore that we've ignored these problems for decades.

[CliffFletcher]

Two things are necessary to expand Canada’s health care capacity:

1) More public funding (ie higher taxes).

2) Structural reform (ie the European model of mixed public/private funding and delivery)

One will not be enough. We need both. The right is hostile to 1 and the left are hostile to 2, so mustering the political capital for both will be extremely difficult. We’re probably screwed. I expect medical tourism to become the norm in the coming decades for those who can afford it.

[Fuzz]

We already do #2 here. Plenty.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Were immigrants the problem when I experienced the exact same ####ing problems 13 years ago that had the same solutions then as we still have today...and haven't done? Because we desperately need to expand elder care, and you know who we probably need for that part of it? Immigrant workers. I'm not saying high levels of immigration are not causing problems, I do disagree with the current levels. But to suggest it's a main contributor is to ignore that we've ignored these problems for decades.

Immigrants, they are the worst.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Immigrants, they are the worst.

I once saw a group of them put blindfolds and earplugs on politicians. Truly the ones running the show.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I once saw a group of them put blindfolds and earplugs on politicians. Truly the ones running the show.

yes we are.........

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

But not yet rolled out.

So the anecdote of "its rare to get myocarditis" or other adverse ailments from mRNA vaccines must only apply to covid shots from the last couple of years.

Not a long time frame to build long term data sets to be making conclusive statements on effects such as myocarditis.

We just had a massive, global scale dataset available to draw conclusions from. This isn't "anecdotes".

[2Stonedbirds]

Well thats interesting about covid being more likely to give you myocarditis. I havnt really been following along, I received the vaccine as a condition of immigration not quite two years ago. Got the J&J one and done viral vector vaccine. Been too busy to look into any of this since.
My understanding is that while mRNA was rolled out for covid shots, it hasn't been used for anything else. Yet.

[bagofpucks]

Stomach bug going around ended up wiping our whole crew out right in time for Christmas, so that was nice. Was quite a nasty bug and interestingly it seemed to have an incubation period closer to 72 hours than the usual 12-48 hours with other stomach bugs.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

Well thats interesting about covid being more likely to give you myocarditis. I havnt really been following along, I received the vaccine as a condition of immigration not quite two years ago. Got the J&J one and done viral vector vaccine. Been too busy to look into any of this since.
My understanding is that while mRNA was rolled out for covid shots, it hasn't been used for anything else. Yet.

"I haven't really been following along"

"Been too busy to look into any of this"

[2Stonedbirds]

Well... yeah. I've been busy finalizing living a new country, work, etc to follow this thread and news surrounding covid.

I asked a question, it was answered. Not sure what you're upset about.

[Azure]

Because how DARE you question mRNA vaccines!

[TorqueDog]

^Oh shut up, Azure.

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

Well... yeah. I've been busy finalizing living a new country, work, etc to follow this thread and news surrounding covid.

I asked a question, it was answered. Not sure what you're upset about.

You're casting FUD rather than actually asking a question which is where the frustration / mild ridicule is coming from. There wasn't a single question mark in your entire previous post. To post that and then admit you haven't been following / paying any attention to the subject matter is going to draw some ill-concealed laughter in your direction.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by dirk diggler

This is a good post but you cant go against the vaccines are wonderful narrative on this thread or you will get talked down to and called a tin foil hat wearer, its really quite something yet not surprising.

Originally Posted by Azure

Because how DARE you question mRNA vaccines!

Oh you poor poor victims.