2022-23 Flu/covid/RSV season

[Dion]

Originally Posted by shermanator

This thread reminded me to book my vaccines. Going in tomorrow morning.

I got mine a month ago. Went to see my GP for an unrelated matter and he asked if I had gotten both. I said I had forgotten and he was back in less than a minute with both shots.

[CliffFletcher]

I’ve been getting a flu shot every year for 12 years now. I’m fully vaxxed and fully boosted for covid (got the flu and covid shots together in Oct).

Three weeks ago my whole household came down with either covid or H1N1 (we tested negative for covid, but those home tests are almost useless). Heachache, sore throat, super-tired for more than a week. It sucked. But it likely would have sucked more if I was unvaccinated. I’ve had a full-blown flu before, and it’s no joke - I wanted to die.

So I don’t regret getting vaxxed, and will continue to get a flu + covid shot every year. Even if the effects of getting vaxxed are a marginally lower likelihood of getting covid or the flu, and moderately less severe infection if I do catch it, then it’s still worth it to me. Because the downsides of getting the shots - a sore arm and mild symptoms for 24 hrs - are even smaller. The cost-benefit is a no-brainer.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by pylon

Hey, I bought in and got my first 3 shots... and got a totally awesome case of A-fib for the rest of my frickin life. Not one doctor would sign off on the vaccine injury program.

Depending on how old you are, merely being an aging male gives you a 10% chance of being diagnosed with afib as you get up there in years. Whereas the US has seen 5 new onset cases of afib per million vaccinated people.

I was first diagnosed with afib in my mid 20s, so I fully understand how unsettling it can be, and how there is a tendency to wrack your brain looking for underlying triggers or correlations to make it feel like you have some sense of control.

But either we are in the midst of one of the most well executed conspiracies of all time, or you have crappy luck and developed a heart condition that many will.

If afib was super prevalent after COVID vaccines, it would be pretty surprising that all of CP was holding back stories of themselves, friends and family developing afib, because I sure haven't seen swaths of people coming forward and saying they've developed a heart condition in the last few years.

[dirk diggler]

Originally Posted by pylon

Hey, I bought in and got my first 3 shots... and got a totally awesome case of A-fib for the rest of my frickin life. Not one doctor would sign off on the vaccine injury program... yet one actually 'quietly' advised against me taking future MrNA vaccines as in "I'm not saying get them, and I'm also not saying don't..." wink, wink. As she has seen an alarming uptick in A-fib and Myocarditis amongst her patients. But it's totally unrelated, right?

All the while, every single person I know that died of Covid (6 people) was double, triple+++ vaxxed. Not a single un-vaxxed person I know died. Not one. And I know quite a few people that aren't. And I berated and belittled those people for not following the mob that was jerking off to Stephen Colbert dancing around with people in needle costumes like some sort of Nazi propaganda newsreel.

I caught Covid a couple months ago, was sicker than I've ever been in my life, and I was down for 2 weeks. I'm in good health, exercise regularly and eat right. My wife's hard drinking, no-sleeping, pack-a-day party hardy 42 year old friend who has never seen the inside of a gym her entire life and likely caught it from me... got over it in 2 days with no more than the sniffles.

My parents who are on shot 67 or 68 (sorry, I've lost count), have it now, and I'm waiting for the call I am going to have to take them to the ER. My mother should be in the hospital now after she waited 21 hours on Christmas day to see a doctor at the South Health Campus... instead they sent a 77 year old woman with asthma and a blood oxygen level of 73% home with an oxygen tank and medicine because "We're out of beds, you live close and your 83 year old husband can drive if you get in real trouble, ie start suffocating to death..." Now he has it and is panicking because he doesn't want to not be able to take care of his wife. The system is fully broken. Private/Two tier health care can't come soon enough. I'd rather overpay out of pocket for quality care, than settle for this garbage care.

There is a reason a lot of people have jumped sides on this. Anecdotal evidence, is still someone's reality. Almost everything thing I personally have seen, adds up to taking the shot was at minimum useless, and at worst more harmful to my heath than just letting nature take its course. I would likely be far better off had I avoided the shots altogether. But I'll never know for sure, as the majority of doctors you even suggest you got injured by the vaccine to, looks at you like a tinfoil hat lunatic at worst, or outright gaslights you at best.

I bought in, and I regret my purchase, as do a lot of people. Does it mean I want to blockade the Nations capital, and have Theresa Tam tried for crimes against humanity.... no. But If I had the 88 MPH DeLorean, I'd go back to 2021, and politely decline.

I buckled into the peer pressure against my instincts and to my own detriment. Never again.

This is a good post but you cant go against the vaccines are wonderful narrative on this thread or you will get talked down to and called a tin foil hat wearer, its really quite something yet not surprising.

[Engine09]

Originally Posted by dirk diggler

you cant go against the vaccines are wonderful narrative on this thread or you will get talked down to and called a tin foil hat wearer

Rightfully so. Anecdotal evidence is not proof, it's unscientific and simply a result of frightened people looking around trying to find a correlation to make sense of things in their own mind.

I know more than a few people blaming every single malady on the evil vaccine, it's absurd. You cannot talk to these people because whatever is wrong with them is very personal and they take great offense. They already had some conspiratorial ideas bouncing around in their head and now they found a reason to dig in.

How about we go with the centuries of data from the advent of modern medicine, the combined experience and knowledge of thousands of scientists and medical professionals? Is that too "crazy" of a thing to ask? Yes, medicine is not perfect and there are such things as side effects, we all know this. Everyone knows. This is not evidence of a conspiracy. Vaccines and medicine are refined and improved, that's how it works, that's the scientific method.

[Ozy_Flame]

Just chatted with two hospital doc's today about AFib and myocarditis being problematic from vaccines because of my curiosity from this thread. The response I got was that it's rare to get that diagnosis from mRNA vaccines and the public good for getting vaccinated far outweighs the exceptional circumstances that people hear online and feel like it applies to the entire field.

In other words, vaccines are still tremendously safe and saving millions of lives, just like penicillin or seatbelts. And they're about to handle a lot more sicknesses in the future.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Seems you have convinced yourself of a lot of stuff, but the bolded bit has to be the worst of it. Really a FYGM attitude. How about if you do so well in life you advocate for higher taxes so we can pay for high quality public services? Maybe vote for governments that want that? Or are those of us who aren't as fortunate just supposed to suffer more, so you can buy your way to good healthcare?

Unfortunately, it has become tougher to sell the public model in Canada when wait times have become worse and worse as each year goes on. Governments across the political spectrum have applied all kinds of various plans to try and 'solve' the issues, but almost every province just gets worse and worse every year.

Even prior to COVID it was normal in my local emergency room to sit 10h to get minor stitches. We should have known back then that it wasn't sustainable, but here we are with 30h wait times now for a lot more serious stuff.

I'm not saying private is the option, but at some point doing the same thing over and over again hoping there is a different result is also not working.

I have also yet to see a government present a proper plan on how to deal with the long, long, long list of problems that plague our system.

IMO the system should be run as a non-profit separate from the government. The minister of health should not be an elected official either. People should be hired and fired based on how well they run the system. There is no incentive right now to improve anything.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I’ve been getting a flu shot every year for 12 years now. I’m fully vaxxed and fully boosted for covid (got the flu and covid shots together in Oct).

Three weeks ago my whole household came down with either covid or H1N1 (we tested negative for covid, but those home tests are almost useless). Heachache, sore throat, super-tired for more than a week. It sucked. But it likely would have sucked more if I was unvaccinated. I’ve had a full-blown flu before, and it’s no joke - I wanted to die.

So I don’t regret getting vaxxed, and will continue to get a flu + covid shot every year. Even if the effects of getting vaxxed are a marginally lower likelihood of getting covid or the flu, and moderately less severe infection if I do catch it, then it’s still worth it to me. Because the downsides of getting the shots - a sore arm and mild symptoms for 24 hrs - are even smaller. The cost-benefit is a no-brainer.

I am double vaccinated and I have no problem admitting that at the time it was the right move given what I saw happen to most other unvaccinated people around me, but I did get sick eventually, which was the worst week of my life and since then haven't been boosted or gotten anything else and haven't gotten sick either. I generally don't get much of a flu or cold anymore which I attest to better personal health choices.

The messaging should still be if your compromised health wise, elderly, etc, etc....getting boosted or the flu shot would be beneficial. I have no idea what the statistics are for people in the hospital, but most people around me who are vaccinated and unvaccinated, there is no pattern to who gets sick.

I am more worried about childhood vaccination rates dropping leading to things like whooping cough. Sucks watching kids deal with that.

[Jordan!]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Just chatted with two hospital doc's today about AFib and myocarditis being problematic from vaccines because of my curiosity from this thread. The response I got was that it's rare to get that diagnosis from mRNA vaccines and the public good for getting vaccinated far outweighs the exceptional circumstances that people hear online and feel like it applies to the entire field.

In other words, vaccines are still tremendously safe and saving millions of lives, just like penicillin or seatbelts. And they're about to handle a lot more sicknesses in the future.

So, I've posted on CP before. I'm 40 and had a heart attack a year ago.

I'm not obese, I'm not an athlete but I'm not overweight, barely drank alcohol, ate well, not perfect but well - never had high cholesterol.

We had an infant during covid and he was in daycare, we got COVID so many times, 3-4 times at least before my Heart attack. I was vaccinated up until October 2022.

ONE thing I know for 100% certainty, I got Omicron in March 2022 and was never the same until they placed stents in my artery during my emergency event in September 2022. That episode of the virus $%^&ed me up. Bronchitis that didn't go away, endless fatigue, etc..

I can ALSO say, that my cardiologists didn't rule out Vaccines having an effect for persistent COVID inflammation that caused my H.A. but knowing the virus made me as sick as it did in March 2022 I'm confident in saying my heart issues were not caused by the COVID vaccine. I test my COVID antibody levels every 6 months, they are still extremely high so my Dr's didn't recommend a booster. I did get the Flu shot however.

My opinion as a H.A. and Long Covid survivor is that COVID can go $%^& itself. All of it.. it sucks in so many different ways for so many different people.

Take it as you will.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Azure

Unfortunately, it has become tougher to sell the public model in Canada when wait times have become worse and worse as each year goes on. Governments across the political spectrum have applied all kinds of various plans to try and 'solve' the issues, but almost every province just gets worse and worse every year.

Even prior to COVID it was normal in my local emergency room to sit 10h to get minor stitches. We should have known back then that it wasn't sustainable, but here we are with 30h wait times now for a lot more serious stuff.

I'm not saying private is the option, but at some point doing the same thing over and over again hoping there is a different result is also not working.

I have also yet to see a government present a proper plan on how to deal with the long, long, long list of problems that plague our system.

IMO the system should be run as a non-profit separate from the government. The minister of health should not be an elected official either. People should be hired and fired based on how well they run the system. There is no incentive right now to improve anything.

The only thing in common governments have done over the decades is cut taxes because voters are morons, and it works.


They get studies done, and don't follow them. They get told where they need to spend money, and don't do it. They can't even tell people to get ####ing vaccinated anymore(preventive medicine, who would think of such a thing!), because of goddamn morons, idiots, and profiteers. And then we elect those people!


There is no hope anymore, society is ####ed, and I guess we all deserve it because selfishness is the key to survival.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

The only thing in common governments have done over the decades is cut taxes because voters are morons, and it works.

They get studies done, and don't follow them. They get told where they need to spend money, and don't do it. They can't even tell people to get ####ing vaccinated anymore(preventive medicine, who would think of such a thing!), because of goddamn morons, idiots, and profiteers. And then we elect those people!

There is no hope anymore, society is ####ed, and I guess we all deserve it because selfishness is the key to survival.

I think Trudeau is on the right track here though. He wants to import ~400K people per year right?

We cant house or take care of an influx of what amounts to an invading army so there has to be a back-end to the plan right? Maybe we just take a couple years and let the weak, elderly and infirm die and replace them with young, skilled, able-bodied workers.

Takes the strain off the Pension Plan, the Housing Market and the medical system all at the same time.

Its genius! 5D Chess!

[2Stonedbirds]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Just chatted with two hospital doc's today about AFib and myocarditis being problematic from vaccines because of my curiosity from this thread. The response I got was that it's rare to get that diagnosis from mRNA vaccines and the public good for getting vaccinated far outweighs the exceptional circumstances that people hear online and feel like it applies to the entire field.

Outside of covid 19 vaccines, what other vaccines have been produced using mRNA technology?

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by dirk diggler

This is a good post but you cant go against the vaccines are wonderful narrative on this thread or you will get talked down to and called a tin foil hat wearer, its really quite something yet not surprising.

Sorry, would you remind us what your scientific background is again? Just have noticed scientific consensus on the efficacy of vaccines, so wondering what qualifies you to counter a Mount Everest of proof they are our best defense. Surely it's not YouTube and suspect websites poorly vetted by an ignoramus, right?

[dirk diggler]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Sorry, would you remind us what your scientific background is again? Just have noticed scientific consensus on the efficacy of vaccines, so wondering what qualifies you to counter a Mount Everest of proof they are our best defense. Surely it's not YouTube and suspect websites poorly vetted by an ignoramus, right?

now this is comical, everyone on here including you have amazing scientific minds, i didn't realize that. clearly i have been wrong, what was i thinking? thanks for the clarity. appreciate it.

[puffnstuff]

You didnt answer the question.

[dirk diggler]

Originally Posted by puffnstuff

You didnt answer the question.

so you have to be a scientist to have an opinion, good thing all of you are. Its odd that so many people choose to not get boosters when they arent coerced. thats really odd, they clearly aren/t scientests, or else they would know better.

[Ironhorse]

Something hit me overnight. I've been very fatigued all day today, like super fatigued. Had a nap at noon with not much improvement. No other symptoms. My wife started feeling super fatigued at noon, and went to bed after supper with some minor aches. Anyone else like this? We both got flu shot / Covid booster 2 weeks ago.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by dirk diggler

now this is comical, everyone on here including you have amazing scientific minds, i didn't realize that. clearly i have been wrong, what was i thinking? thanks for the clarity. appreciate it.

I don't have a scientific background, which is why I Iisten to doctors and scientists lol. I'm not qualified to dispute their findings. The day scientists need to hear from the small business owner with an English degree we're all in trouble.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by dirk diggler

so you have to be a scientist to have an opinion, good thing all of you are. Its odd that so many people choose to not get boosters when they arent coerced. thats really odd, they clearly aren/t scientests, or else they would know better.

No, you misunderstood what was being said. Sliver said he listens to the large group of scientific minds that have researched, developed and spoken to immunizations. Not that he or anyone that listens to them is a scientist.

Easy stuff, man.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

Outside of covid 19 vaccines, what other vaccines have been produced using mRNA technology?

The Moderna RSV vaccine is currently sitting with the FDA for approval. Phase 3 testing is complete. Two non-MNRA vaccines have been approved this past year for RSV.