2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Pickle Juice

What would Cgy want in a return from Colorado for Lindholm? I’ve looked at their top prospects and I’m not sure where to begin?

Sandman or anyone for that matter have any insight?

No insight but here's what I would be looking at:

Johansen(cap dump) + Calum Ritchie + Sam Malinski would be my starting point. Maybe another pick on top of that like a 26' 2nd.

[SuperMatt18]

Honestly there isn't a ton to love from the Avs (Byram off the table obviously).

Any package would start with their 2024 1st. Ritchie would be good too.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Some of you guys have low doorway headers or something? Stop suggesting Markstrom or Vladar to the Oilers, and get your head checked.

I gladly trade them Vladar, he isn’t any good and it likely means they can’t actually get someone good.

Markstrom I would think longer but really they aren’t s Markstrom away from winning anything so if the price is right sure.

The biggest problem is the Oilers have very little value to trade.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Spurs

I gladly trade them Vladar, he isn’t any good and it likely means they can’t actually get someone good.

Markstrom I would think longer but really they aren’t s Markstrom away from winning anything so if the price is right sure.

The biggest problem is the Oilers have very little value to trade.

Markstrom has a NMC. He’d be nuts to waive to go there.

[Sandman]

Sandman want Ritchie.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Honestly there isn't a ton to love from the Avs (Byram off the table obviously).

Any package would start with their 2024 1st. Ritchie would be good too.

Ritchie and a 2024 1st round pick would be a solid return IMO. What should work in the flames favour is there are a lot of teams that are making a push to make the playoffs/go on a run that need a two-way center with a low cap hit. Lindholm is the best one of those players available even though he is not having a great season.

I wish Pittsburgh was doing a little better than they are right now as I think they would be in the market for Lindholm… but they are a ways out of a playoff spot right now. Would love it if they went on a run in the next month or so and Conroy could pry their 2025 first round pick from Dubas in exchange for Lindholm.. Even if it had a top 10 protection on it… that trade would be a potentially big return in the long run as I think they will inevitably be on the downswing in 2025 and 2026… if the penguins picked top 10 in 2025 and it got deferred to 2026, there would be no protection on it and I think the penguins could be really bad by then and it could be a potential lottery pick.

Would be willing to take back some bad contracts too if it could also bring back Yager in the trade… but I highly doubt Pittsburgh would trade him. He’s the highest draft pick they have made in a long time and his asset value will likely rise even higher after the world juniors are over (as will most players on team Canada).

To Pittsburgh:
Lindholm (50% retained)

To Calgary:
2025 1st round pick (top ten protected)
Brayden Yager
Rickard Rackell (salary dump - he’s signed at $5 million AAV till 2028).

Who says no? That Rackell contract is a bad one so I figure taking it on is worth a lot. The pens would end up gaining almost $3 million in cap space this year if they wanted to make another move. Pittsburgh is all in no matter what it seems… so I figure they might as well give Crosby/Malkin/Letang their best shot. Yager likely won’t be an impact player for them while they are still around so might as well use him to make them better right now. I’ve been so far off though in any trade estimate this year so I really don’t know.

[AFireInside]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Ritchie and a 2024 1st round pick would be a solid return IMO. What should work in the flames favour is there are a lot of teams that are making a push to make the playoffs/go on a run that need a two-way center with a low cap hit. Lindholm is the best one of those players available even though he is not having a great season.

I wish Pittsburgh was doing a little better than they are right now as I think they would be in the market for Lindholm… but they are a ways out of a playoff spot right now. Would love it if they went on a run in the next month or so and Conroy could pry their 2025 first round pick from Dubas in exchange for Lindholm.. Even if it had a top 10 protection on it… that trade would be a potentially big return in the long run as I think they will inevitably be on the downswing in 2025 and 2026… if the penguins picked top 10 in 2025 and it got deferred to 2026, there would be no protection on it and I think the penguins could be really bad by then and it could be a potential lottery pick.

Would be willing to take back some bad contracts too if it could also bring back Yager in the trade… but I highly doubt Pittsburgh would trade him. He’s the highest draft pick they have made in a long time and his asset value will likely rise even higher after the world juniors are over (as will most players on team Canada).

To Pittsburgh:
Lindholm (50% retained)

To Calgary:
2025 1st round pick (top ten protected)
Brayden Yager
Rickard Rackell (salary dump - he’s signed at $5 million AAV till 2028).

Who says no? That Rackell contract is a bad one so I figure taking it on is worth a lot. The pens would end up gaining almost $3 million in cap space this year if they wanted to make another move. Pittsburgh is all in no matter what it seems… so I figure they might well give Crosby/Malkin/Letang their best shot. Yager likely won’t be an impact player for them while they are still around so might as well use him to make them better right now. I’ve been so far off though in any trade estimate this year so I really don’t know.

This seems like a bad deal for the Flames no?

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by AFireInside

This seems like a bad deal for the Flames no?

Maybe. I thought we would get much more for Toffoli (though that one is looking good lately) and Zadorov so my predictions are not that great. In this trade, the flames are getting basically all the Penguins have left in terms of top picks and top prospects in exchange for 4 months of Lindholm. Yager just went 14th overall in a very deep draft… and that 2025/2026 pick could be a very good pick if the penguins continue their decline.

[dissentowner]

People keep adding a camp dump as a must in a Lindholm trade but if the Flames retain 50% the other team really doesn't need to, especially the closer we get to the trade deadline

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

People keep adding a camp dump as a must in a Lindholm trade but if the Flames retain 50% the other team really doesn't need to, especially the closer we get to the trade deadline

Yeah. For me, I add a cap dump to increase the return even more… which probably makes the trade more unlikely to happen. I just don’t think Lindholm at 50% retention gets you a first round pick + an A-level prospect (like Yager). But throwing in a salary dump of a bad contract like Rackell and it makes it more likely for the flames to get a high-end prospect along with a first round pick.

My goal is to try and make the return as high as possible in terms of 1st round picks and A-level prospects… rather than a single first round pick + B-level prospect.

Like I said… my trade projections are always way off so you’re probably right… the flames would probably be very reluctant to take on a contract like Rackell’s and the Penguins would be very reluctant to trade Yager so any trade with Pittsburgh would likely be a lot smaller… probably limited to the first round pick as being the most impressive asset in the return.

[SemicolonD]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Ritchie and a 2024 1st round pick would be a solid return IMO. What should work in the flames favour is there are a lot of teams that are making a push to make the playoffs/go on a run that need a two-way center with a low cap hit. Lindholm is the best one of those players available even though he is not having a great season.

I wish Pittsburgh was doing a little better than they are right now as I think they would be in the market for Lindholm… but they are a ways out of a playoff spot right now. Would love it if they went on a run in the next month or so and Conroy could pry their 2025 first round pick from Dubas in exchange for Lindholm.. Even if it had a top 10 protection on it… that trade would be a potentially big return in the long run as I think they will inevitably be on the downswing in 2025 and 2026… if the penguins picked top 10 in 2025 and it got deferred to 2026, there would be no protection on it and I think the penguins could be really bad by then and it could be a potential lottery pick.

Would be willing to take back some bad contracts too if it could also bring back Yager in the trade… but I highly doubt Pittsburgh would trade him. He’s the highest draft pick they have made in a long time and his asset value will likely rise even higher after the world juniors are over (as will most players on team Canada).

To Pittsburgh:
Lindholm (50% retained)

To Calgary:
2025 1st round pick (top ten protected)
Brayden Yager
Rickard Rackell (salary dump - he’s signed at $5 million AAV till 2028).

Who says no? That Rackell contract is a bad one so I figure taking it on is worth a lot. The pens would end up gaining almost $3 million in cap space this year if they wanted to make another move. Pittsburgh is all in no matter what it seems… so I figure they might as well give Crosby/Malkin/Letang their best shot. Yager likely won’t be an impact player for them while they are still around so might as well use him to make them better right now. I’ve been so far off though in any trade estimate this year so I really don’t know.

Ya I don't see the need for cap dumps on a Lindholm deadline deal, and if it happens it should be paid for with additional assets for sure. To be fair I'm not sure how blue chip Yager is but he better be damn good. It should cost more than just a 1st to dump Rackell's contract.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by AFireInside

This seems like a bad deal for the Flames no?

No, this would be a great deal. A first and a top prospect.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by SemicolonD

Ya I don't see the need for cap dumps on a Lindholm deadline deal, and if it happens it should be paid for with additional assets for sure. To be fair I'm not sure how blue chip Yager is but he better be damn good. It should cost more than just a 1st to dump Rackell's contract.

Yeager is considered an A level prospect. He’d be the flames #1 prospect.

I doubt the Penguins move him.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by AFireInside

This seems like a bad deal for the Flames no?

That’s an awesome deal for the flames. 2 first for a 50pts UFA wanting 9M

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Markstrom has a NMC. He’d be nuts to waive to go there.

Iirc it was down to Edm and when he was ufa. And that’s when we had Johnny and Chuckie. I think he’d waive in a heartbeat given the changes the team has undergone since then.

[Ped]

The Pens are in win-now mode as long as Crosby plays, and they have a history of trading prospects and picks to go all in.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by Ped

The Pens are in win-now mode as long as Crosby plays, and they have a history of trading prospects and picks to go all in.

They traded their 2024 1st for Karlsson

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

They traded their 2024 1st for Karlsson

They did, although it is top-10 protected.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

People keep adding a camp dump as a must in a Lindholm trade but if the Flames retain 50% the other team really doesn't need to, especially the closer we get to the trade deadline

Yeah, his salary right now is super atttactive for a contender. With retention at the TDL he’s almost free. He just has to start playing better to up his value.

[Monahammer]

I'd want Yager and Pickering from the pens in a deal and that's probably too much for them.