Israel declares war on Hamas

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Wait, what? I'm the unhinged one here?

Does wittle Beninho need his bottle and a wittle time out again?

You can go ahead and smash the report button. I am not the one providing sources from the Hamas news network tho. How many more insults do you need to dish out to show you aren’t in your feelings?

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Bagor

The Beninho argument against genocide.

Also Norman Finkelstein believes Russia has the right to invade Ukraine, do you also agree with that?

https://x.com/normfinkelstein/status...570357760?s=20

Grifter

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Beninho

You can go ahead and smash the report button. I am not the one providing sources from the Hamas news network tho. How many more insults do you need to dish out to show you aren’t in your feelings?

Neither is Sliver, nor has he nor anyone else’s suggested they don’t like people who are “for destroying Hamas,” as everyone here is “for” destroying Hamas and the only disagreement seems to be around the approach and human cost.

You seem to want everything two ways.

You mock and dismiss experts you disagree with, while expect yours to be taken without question.

You throw around labels and associations with Hamas or terrorist ideology despite those same people expressing repeatedly that they want Hamas eliminated, while expecting people to ignore you calling Palestinian civilians “animals” or shrugging at their situation with things like “guess they shouldn’t vote-in extremists” because you said you think they deserve a state “25 times.”

At a certain point, you have to take some level of responsibility with the way people interact with you. Saying you’re leaving the thread only to post a dozen times directly after once a week is pretty much indicative of your entire approach: you say things you want people to believe, but everything else you say tells the opposite story.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Neither is Sliver, nor has he nor anyone else’s suggested they don’t like people who are “for destroying Hamas,” as everyone here is “for” destroying Hamas and the only disagreement seems to be around the approach and human cost.

You seem to want everything two ways.

You mock and dismiss experts you disagree with, while expect yours to be taken without question.

You throw around labels and associations with Hamas or terrorist ideology despite those same people expressing repeatedly that they want Hamas eliminated, while expecting people to ignore you calling Palestinian civilians “animals” or shrugging at their situation with things like “guess they shouldn’t vote-in extremists” because you said you think they deserve a state “25 times.”

At a certain point, you have to take some level of responsibility with the way people interact with you. Saying you’re leaving the thread only to post a dozen times directly after once a week is pretty much indicative of your entire approach: you say things you want people to believe, but everything else you say tells the opposite story.

I dismiss them because I believe they are wrong and provide several counter arguments you happily never engage with. My main gripes are the inappropriate usage of the word genocide to describe what it is going on. It is not a genocide. No population experiences significant growth while experiencing a genocide, especially a supposed one that has lasted 75 years. The Jewish population still has not recovered from the holocaust, you simply cannot use the same word to describe this as you would to describe the holocaust, Armenian genocide, Amhara genoicde, Rwandan genocide etc. It is not the same. By me arguing against that ridiculous assertion I somehow don’t have empthy, i do. Again i have mentioned the Palestinian situation is terrible, I do not take any sort of joy out of seeing dead civilians but I place blame on Hamas who actively puts their civilians in danger and started this war by raping, pillaging, torturing and hostage taking. I made a comment right when their attacked happened that got misconstrued as me calling Palestinians as animals. That was not my intention and I apologized for it, my intent was calling Hamas animals, but if you want me again to apologize for that here it is. My apologies for the usage of the word animals.

Your side provides no solution, no actual plan, and wants Israel to resume the status quo with no end in sight. This time it will not happen and Hamas will pay, unfortunately civilians are being killed which happens in war. But this is because of the way Hamas uses human shields. You can disagree with my stance, that’s fine. The pro-Palestinian side loves to live in an echo chamber hence people questioning my humanity over the mere accusation that Hamas is to blame for 1. Starting the war and 2. Hiding behind civilians creating civilian deaths.

With Hamas eliminated and Gaza demilitarized there will be far less civilian casualties in the future. That’s my view, I don’t think this is very extreme. But to some I guess I am equated to a skinheaded holocaust denier.

[sureLoss]

IDF accidentally kills 3 hostages:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/15/middl...aza/index.html

Israeli soldiers shot and killed three Israeli hostages in northern Gaza who had been misidentified as a threat, the Israel Defense Forces said.

“During combat in Shejaiya, the IDF mistakenly identified three Israeli hostages as a threat. As a result, the troops fired toward them and they were killed,” IDF spokesman Daniel Hagari said in a news briefing on Friday.

“During searches and checks in the area in which the incident occurred, a suspicion arose over the identities of the deceased,” Hagari added. “Their bodies were transferred to Israeli territory for examination, after which it was confirmed that they were three Israeli hostages.”

The hostages have been identified as Yotam Haim, who was kidnapped from Kibbutz Kfar Aza by Hamas on October 7; Samer Talalka, who was kidnapped from Kibbutz Nir Am on the same day; and another male hostage, whose family requested that his name not be published.

The IDF began reviewing the incident immediately, Hagari said.

Hagari said the IDF believes the three men either escaped their captors or had been “left behind” because of the fighting in the area.

[Bagor]

The latest Beninho argument against Genocide

Originally Posted by Beninho

Grifter

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Beninho

I dismiss them because I believe they are wrong and provide several counter arguments you happily never engage with. My main gripes are the inappropriate usage of the word genocide to describe what it is going on. It is not a genocide. No population experiences significant growth while experiencing a genocide, especially a supposed one that has lasted 75 years.

Ok, but you understand that dismissing them and mocking people who cite them simply because you disagree is not actually meaningful engagement, right? Here’s an article from another expert on genocide, curious to hear what you think beyond “I disagree”, specifically his answer to this question:

You write in your piece, “My greatest concern watching the Israel-Gaza war unfold is that there is genocidal intent, which can easily tip into genocidal action. On Oct. 7, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said that Gazans would pay a ‘huge price’ for the actions of Hamas and that the Israel Defense Forces, or I.D.F., would turn parts of Gaza’s densely populated urban centers ‘into rubble.’ On Oct. 28, he added, citing Deuteronomy, ‘You must remember what Amalek did to you.’ As many Israelis know, in revenge for the attack by Amalek, the Bible calls to ‘kill alike men and women, infants and sucklings.’ ” Can you talk more about this focus on what leaders say?

https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and...efine-genocide

Originally Posted by Beninho

Again i have mentioned the Palestinian situation is terrible, I do not take any sort of joy out of seeing dead civilians but I place blame on Hamas who actively puts their civilians in danger and started this war by raping, pillaging, torturing and hostage taking.

There shouldn’t be a “but” there. You either don’t take joy out of it, or you do. And saying, “well, I blame Hamas” is just passing the buck. At the end of the day, Hamas is horrible and needs to be eliminated. We all agree. And we should not have to qualify the deaths of thousands of innocent people by repeating it. People were losing their minds over some of the reports around murdered babies specifically, but a few of you that were couldn’t be bothered to say more than “too bad, but Hamas…” when it started happening to Palestinian babies. You don’t see how compartmenalizing those things is dangerous? Making one out to be a tragedy worth killing over, and the other nothing more than the cost of war?

Originally Posted by Beninho

I made a comment right when their attacked happened that got misconstrued as me calling Palestinians as animals. That was not my intention and I apologized for it, my intent was calling Hamas animals, but if you want me again to apologize for that here it is. My apologies for the usage of the word animals.

It didn’t get misconstrued, you clarified your intent as meaning civilians. Whether you apologise or not doesn’t really matter, because you aren’t giving the same benefit of the doubt you demand for yourself to anyone else.

It’s worth noting that, as indicated above, that kind of language absolutely conveys genocidal intent.

Originally Posted by Beninho

Your side provides no solution, no actual plan, and wants Israel to resume the status quo with no end in sight. This time it will not happen and Hamas will pay, unfortunately civilians are being killed which happens in war. But this is because of the way Hamas uses human shields. You can disagree with my stance, that’s fine. The pro-Palestinian side loves to live in an echo chamber hence people questioning my humanity over the mere accusation that Hamas is to blame for 1. Starting the war and 2. Hiding behind civilians creating civilian deaths.

What is my “side”? If you do care about Palestinians, aren’t you pro-Palestinian as well? What are your conditions in labelling someone pro-Palestinian that means they are and you’re not?

Nobody is questioning your humanity over saying Hamas is to blame for starting the war or using human shields. But it’s a good thing to question if you believe either of those things excuses any and all innocent human cost. If there’s no limit to how many people you’ll accept dead or the brutality in which they’re forced to live and die, where’s the humanity in that?

Originally Posted by Beninho

With Hamas eliminated and Gaza demilitarized there will be far less civilian casualties in the future. That’s my view, I don’t think this is very extreme. But to some I guess I am equated to a skinheaded holocaust denier.

You and I both know your belief that Hamas being eliminated will equal less casualties in the future has nothing to do with any accusations you’ve received for any sort of extremism, so why lie and misrepresent others?

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Ok, but you understand that dismissing them and mocking people who cite them simply because you disagree is not actually meaningful engagement, right? Here’s an article from another expert on genocide, curious to hear what you think beyond “I disagree”, specifically his answer to this question:



https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and...efine-genocide



There shouldn’t be a “but” there. You either don’t take joy out of it, or you do. And saying, “well, I blame Hamas” is just passing the buck. At the end of the day, Hamas is horrible and needs to be eliminated. We all agree. And we should not have to qualify the deaths of thousands of innocent people by repeating it. People were losing their minds over some of the reports around murdered babies specifically, but a few of you that were couldn’t be bothered to say more than “too bad, but Hamas…” when it started happening to Palestinian babies. You don’t see how compartmenalizing those things is dangerous? Making one out to be a tragedy worth killing over, and the other nothing more than the cost of war?



It didn’t get misconstrued, you clarified your intent as meaning civilians. Whether you apologise or not doesn’t really matter, because you aren’t giving the same benefit of the doubt you demand for yourself to anyone else.

It’s worth noting that, as indicated above, that kind of language absolutely conveys genocidal intent.



What is my “side”? If you do care about Palestinians, aren’t you pro-Palestinian as well? What are your conditions in labelling someone pro-Palestinian that means they are and you’re not?

Nobody is questioning your humanity over saying Hamas is to blame for starting the war or using human shields. But it’s a good thing to question if you believe either of those things excuses any and all innocent human cost. If there’s no limit to how many people you’ll accept dead or the brutality in which they’re forced to live and die, where’s the humanity in that?



You and I both know your belief that Hamas being eliminated will equal less casualties in the future has nothing to do with any accusations you’ve received for any sort of extremism, so why lie and misrepresent others?

This is pretty funny for the same person defending the genocidal slogan of “river to the sea” i am done engaging with your circular, tangential arguments and let you guys carry on your anti-Israel circle jerk.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Beninho

This is pretty funny for the same person defending the genocidal slogan of “river to the sea” i am done engaging with your circular, tangential arguments and let you guys carry on your anti-Israel circle jerk.

What's everyone else clocked at?

I'm pretty sure this is the 27th "I'm done with this thread" so far from Beninho

[Bagor]

From the terrorist CNN network. Deliberately destroying food when it is known people are starving to death. More evidence of genocidal intent.

Videos show Israeli soldiers in Gaza burning food, vandalizing a shop and ransacking private homes.

(CNN)
The Israeli soldier looks directly into the camera, then turns around and sets a pile of food supplies on fire.

*We turn on the light against this dark place and burn it until there is no trace of this whole place,” he says as another soldier fuels the flame.

The soldiers say they are in Shejaiya, a neighborhood in Gaza City, deep in the besieged enclave. They are filming themselves burning food in a place where the humanitarian situation is now so bad that international organizations are warning people are at risk of dying of starvation.

This video is only one of several circulating online and reviewed by CNN that show Israeli soldiers in Gaza behaving in offensive and disrespectful ways toward the civilian population. Other videos show soldiers ransacking private homes, destroying civilian property and using racist and hateful language.



An image shared online shows an Israeli soldier next to a sign that says "Instead of erasing graffiti, let us erase Gaza."

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/15/middl...ntl/index.html

Waiting for someone to say it's ok, they took the video down.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Beninho

This is pretty funny for the same person defending the genocidal slogan of “river to the sea” i am done engaging with your circular, tangential arguments and let you guys carry on your anti-Israel circle jerk.

No you're not. You can't even be true to yourself. You're going nowhere.

Prove us wrong.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

What's everyone else clocked at?

I'm pretty sure this is the 27th "I'm done with this thread" so far from Beninho

You cannot have a debate with you guys without being labeled a racist, souless, skinhead akin to a holocaust denier. It’s truly remarkable. I tried to provide nuance but there is no nuance coming from your side. None at all in this thread. The posters claiming a genocide use fringe academics from backwater universities, then when provided with arguments that negate that criticism they do not engage with it while laying every ounce of blame on to Israel. Then we have you with your little blurbs of “eTnoH stATes aRE bAD” that are devoid of context given Israel is the only nation in this entire arabized region that holds free democratic elections where Arab and Jewish parties work together in government.

I really am done this time tho, this thread is a cesspool filled with virtue signallers who don’t believe the Palestinians have had any sort of hand in creating the horrible mess they are in. It’s all Israels fault, and even though when not even 1% of the civilian population has been killed there is a genocide happening.

Carry on with your mouth breathing takes, it does absolutely nothing to change anything on the ground. Israel will complete the war by Spring or Summer and hopefully a more peaceful chapter can emerge for the Palestinians. Maybe I will check back in here and see your tears after Hamas is finished.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Bagor

No you're not. You can't even be true to yourself. You're going nowhere.

Prove us wrong.

Let not forget you posting Quds network and using an academic who believes Russia has the right to invade Ukraine to prove your ridiculous position.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Beninho

Genocide

Wait! What! You're still here?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Beninho

This is pretty funny for the same person defending the genocidal slogan of “river to the sea” i am done engaging with your circular, tangential arguments and let you guys carry on your anti-Israel circle jerk.

How does one “defend” a slogan? I provided alternative uses of it (ones devoid of any genocidal intent) and provided reputable sources that explained it more in-depth.

You haven’t honestly engaged with any positions here from the beginning, so I’m not really sure why announcing that you’re stopping makes any difference. But I’ll happily read an actual, honest, and thought out response if you’d like to put the hateful rhetoric aside and try again.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Beninho

Ya not the several articles i have provided. Quds network is having a sale, you silver and Lanny can all split a subscription. I heard all proceeds goes to Hamas leaders in Qatar to pay their rent on their penthouses.

This should be reported by everyone. Yoho was permabanned for less. This is dispicable as no one is using such source and the claims are bold faced lies. Not appropriate and not what we expect from our community!

[Bagor]

Waste of time Pepsi.
He's gone..... For real this time.... Like.... Really is done......never coming back..... ever

Originally Posted by Beninho

I really am done this time tho,

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

This should be reported by everyone. Yoho was permabanned for less. This is dispicable as no one is using such source and the claims are bold faced lies. Not appropriate and not what we expect from our community!

Hahaha wow, why don’t you tell us more about your wifes converted Jewish cousin and how she speaks for all Jews about what antisemitism is.

Also Bagor used it

Do it

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Beninho

Then we have you with your little blurbs of “eTnoH stATes aRE bAD” that are devoid of context given Israel is the only nation in this entire arabized region that holds free democratic elections where Arab and Jewish parties work together in government

All those ethnostates are bad too, happy to help

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Beninho

Hahaha wow, why don’t you tell us more about your wifes converted Jewish cousin and how she speaks for all Jews about what antisemitism is.

Do it

She doesn’t speak for all Jews. If anything she speaks for the minority, but the group with their heads on their shoulders and not up their collective asses. In short, go #### yourself and your belief that YOU speak for Jews beyond yourself. You speak for no one but those who the rest of the world is speaking out against.