2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[PuckSlap]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Feel like you'd probably need another bad contract coming back from Columbus at least...maybe Andrew Peeke and his 2 x $2.75M remaining after this season.

Huberdeau - $1.0M retained ($9.5M x 7)
Mangiapane ($5.8M x 1)
Dube ($2.3M - RFA)

($17.6M annual - $72.3M total salary commitment)

for

Gaudreau ($9.75 x 5)
Laine ($8.7M x 2)
Peeke ($2.75M x 2

($21.2M annual - $71.65M total salary commitment)

Might work, but you might have to retain closer two 2.5 on huberdeau. Maybe move somthing more desirable to go with him.

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[Bonded]

Originally Posted by PuckSlap

Might work, but you might have to retain closer two 2.5 on huberdeau. Maybe move somthing more desirable to go with him.

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Yeah, the two extra years on Huberdeau just kind of kills it. Laine still could rebound enough for the Jackets to get some value of out of as well.

[PuckSlap]

Maybe send a bouquet of roses and an apology letter to go with him.

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[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

One, maybe two elite, depending on if you think Petterson is. Others merely very good.

Well Wheeler had a 10 season stretch where he basically averaged 78 points every 82 games. Not sure if that is elite but it sure it pretty good. One could make a decent argument that over that decade period he was a top 15 forward in the entire league.

If the definition of elite is one of the best 5 forwards or one of the best 5 defencemen in the league then yes, I would agree that is tough to expect to grab many of those at 5th overall. Even with that criteria I would argue once every 10 years you get the greatest player of their generation for their position at 5th overall (Jagr and Makar with Price being damn close to being the best goalie for a 10 yr period) so I will take those odds myself. Probably a 40% chance of getting a high impact player and a 10% chance of grabbing the best player of a generation at a position.

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Flames getting Macklin would be so dreamy

It would be cause for a big Celebrini!

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Feel like you'd probably need another bad contract coming back from Columbus at least...maybe Andrew Peeke and his 2 x $2.75M remaining after this season.

Huberdeau - $1.0M retained ($9.5M x 7)
Mangiapane ($5.8M x 1)
Dube ($2.3M - RFA)

($17.6M annual - $72.3M total salary commitment)

for

Gaudreau ($9.75 x 5)
Laine ($8.7M x 2)
Peeke ($2.75M x 2

($21.2M annual - $71.65M total salary commitment)

You guys are playing match maker with the two least appealing kids in class. LOL

I don't think CBJ takes that deal, and even if they did I'd rather have two extra years of Huby and the cap space from Mangiapane and Dube contracts expiring earlier.

Huby is now poor value but big and strong. Johnny is now poor value but small and weak. If neither goes back to being productive at the rate you pay them, at least one guy can throw his weight around (we've already seen a bit of that this year).

Both are likely to be bought out as soon as it is cap feasible. They're done as elite players.

Let's stop worrying about the monster LW contract we are stuck with. Accept that situation (immovable contract) and start working on what comes next (short term re-tool and long term building a team worthy of the new arena).

That cap space can get us serviceable NHLers on expiring deals along with picks assets contending teams need to get rid of to make room for deadline depth signings - as happens every year.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Purely hypothetical...and ignore all the no trade clauses for a second, but which team says no if this was proposed:

Huberdeau - $1.0M retained ($9.5M x 7)
Mangiapane ($5.8M x 1)
Dube ($2.3M - RFA)

($17.6M annual - $72.3M total salary commitment)

for

Gaudreau ($9.75 x 5)
Laine ($8.7M x 2)

($18.45M - $66.15M total salary commitment)

It's probably Columbus but I actually think it could make sense for both sides. Would never happen in the NHL where it's impossible to make trades but interesting to think about.

Columbus would easily say know. They get a lot of nothing.

Laine likely has some value. Johnny over the last 1.5 years has been better, but that's a low bar.

But zero chance he waives.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

You guys are playing match maker with the two least appealing kids in class. LOL

I don't think CBJ takes that deal, and even if they did I'd rather have two extra years of Huby and the cap space from Mangiapane and Dube contracts expiring earlier.

Huby is now poor value but big and strong. Johnny is now poor value but small and weak. If neither goes back to being productive at the rate you pay them, at least one guy can throw his weight around (we've already seen a bit of that this year).

Both are likely to be bought out as soon as it is cap feasible. They're done as elite players.

Let's stop worrying about the monster LW contract we are stuck with. Accept that situation (immovable contract) and start working on what comes next (short term re-tool and long term building a team worthy of the new arena).

Hubby is buyout proof. Johnny less so, so that's likely the difference.

[Sofa GM]

L.A. is poised for a Cup run this year I think. Think they need to add defense depth and an insurance policy in goal. I know Markstrom was suggested here but not sure if some thing can get done there or not.

Is there a scenario where retention on Andersson gets you Clarke or Byfield?

That makes for close to the best top 4 in the league that can eat a ton of minutes locked in for 2 more after this year.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

L.A. is poised for a Cup run this year I think. Think they need to add defense depth and an insurance policy in goal. I know Markstrom was suggested here but not sure if some thing can get done there or not.

Is there a scenario where retention on Andersson gets you Clarke or Byfield?

That makes for close to the best top 4 in the league that can eat a ton of minutes locked in for 2 more after this year.

They can't afford to trade for anyone, sadly. They have no tradeable contracts and already have nowhere to put Arvidsson when he comes back.

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

L.A. is poised for a Cup run this year I think. Think they need to add defense depth and an insurance policy in goal. I know Markstrom was suggested here but not sure if some thing can get done there or not.

Is there a scenario where retention on Andersson gets you Clarke or Byfield?

That makes for close to the best top 4 in the league that can eat a ton of minutes locked in for 2 more after this year.

Rasmus Andersson is not on the market.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

L.A. is poised for a Cup run this year I think. Think they need to add defense depth and an insurance policy in goal. I know Markstrom was suggested here but not sure if some thing can get done there or not.

Is there a scenario where retention on Andersson gets you Clarke or Byfield?

That makes for close to the best top 4 in the league that can eat a ton of minutes locked in for 2 more after this year.

Byfield is a huge reason why they have finally made the leap to an elite team. 0 chance he gets moved.

Clarke would be good, but I'd try Hanifin 50% retained for Clarke over Rasmus.

Clarke is a great target for us too, but we likley don't get a propsect as good as he is and end up with picks in any trade we make

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

L.A. is poised for a Cup run this year I think. Think they need to add defense depth and an insurance policy in goal. I know Markstrom was suggested here but not sure if some thing can get done there or not.

Is there a scenario where retention on Andersson gets you Clarke or Byfield?

That makes for close to the best top 4 in the league that can eat a ton of minutes locked in for 2 more after this year.

Maybe not right now because you're already shopping Hanifin and Tanev... but they really should be listening on Andersson too.

He should have huge value with 2.5 years at $4.55 left on his contract and really I don't want to re-sign him in 2 years when he's 30 and probably asking for $8.5M+

I do think if you are shopping him with that contract that's how you potentially could get a blue chip like Clarke in return, or Buffalo would probably look at moving one of their top tier young guys

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Rasmus Andersson is not on the market.

Thanks for confirming. Thought had read that was being considered but it may just have been discussion in here.

Hey just throwing stuff out there!

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

Thanks for confirming. Thought had read that was being considered but it may just have been discussion in here.

Hey just throwing stuff out there!

I believe teams inquired, in particular Toronto did inquire about him and Tre was told to take a hike. This was early in the season. I think the flames will obviously listen on everyone but it would take a massive overpayment for the flames to move Ras.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by Sec214

I believe teams inquired, in particular Toronto did inquire about him and Tre was told to take a hike. This was early in the season. I think the flames will obviously listen on everyone but it would take a massive overpayment for the flames to move Ras.

Ok fine…. Byfield and Clarke for a retained Ras…….hahaha

[butterfly]

Goalie stats. Minimum 6 GP.

Top 10 SV%, AAV $2.164 MM



Bottom 10 SV%, AAV $2.367 MM



Do not spend money on goaltending.

[gvitaly]

I wanted to add to the top 5 pick discussion, so here's the draft pick summary from 2004-2019.

You can argue that I miscategorized a couple of players, but this is just to give the general idea of the types of players we can get with each top 5 pick and the probability for each tier.

1. 1st overall:
   • Franchise Players (56%): Ovechkin(04), Crosby(05), P. Kane(07), Stamkos(08), MacKinnon(13), McDavid(15), Matthews(16), Dahlin(18), Hughes(19)
   • Top pair/First line (25%): Tavares(09), Hall(10), Ekblad(14), Hischier(17)
   • Second pair/Top 6 (13%): E. Johnson(06), RNH(11)
   • 3rd line/5th D (0%):
   • Bust/Depth (6%): Yakupov(12)
2. 2nd overall:
   • Franchise Players (31%): Malkin(04), Doughty(08), Hedman(09), Barkov(13), Eichel(15)
   • Top pair/First line (25%): Seguin(10), Landeskog(11), S. Reinhart(14), Svechnikov(18)
   • Second pair/Top 6 (19%): J. Staal(06), JVR(07), Laine(16)
   • 3rd line/5th D (19%): B. Ryan(05), R. Murray(12), Kaapo(19)
   • Bust/Depth (6%): N. Patrick(17)
3. 3rd overall:
   • Franchise Players (19%): J. Toews(06), Draisaitl(14), Heiskanen(17)
   • Top pair/First line (13%): Duchene(09), Huberdeau(11)
   • Second pair/Top 6 (38%): J. Johnson(05), Bogosian(08), Strome(15), PLD(16), Kotkaniemi(18), Dach(19)
   • 3rd line/5th D (25%): Turris(07), Gudbranson(10), Galchenyuk(12), Drouin(13)
   • Bust/Depth (6%): Barker(04)
4. 4th overall:
   • Franchise Players (25%): Backstrom(06), Pietrangelo(08), Marner(15) Makar(17)
   • Top pair/First line (13%): B. Tkachuk(18), Byram(19)
   • Second pair/Top 6 (38%): Ladd(04), E. Kane(09), R. Johansen (10), Larsson(11), S. Jones(13), Bennett(14)
   • 3rd line/5th D (6%): Hickey(07)
   • Bust/Depth (19%): Pouliot(05), G. Reinhart(12), Puljujarvi(16)
   
   
5. 5th overall:
   • Franchise Players (13%): Price(05), Pettersson(17)
   • Top pair/First line (40%): Wheeler(04), Kessel(06), B. Schenn(09), M. Rielly(12), E. Lindholm(13), Hanifin(15)
   • Second pair/Top 6 (20%): Alzner(07), Niederreiter(10), R. Strome(11)
   • 3rd line/5th D (13%): L. Schenn(08), Hayton(18)
   • Bust/Depth (13%): Dal Colle(14), Juolevi(16)
   • Not enough NHL games so far to even speculate: Turcotte(19)

Feel free to move players around between the categories if you think I got some of them wrong, but that's a good starting point. For example both Marner and Backstrom could be considered 1st liners, Hanifin a 2nd pairing D etc.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

I wanted to add to the top 5 pick discussion, so here's the draft pick summary from 2004-2019.

You can argue that I miscategorized a couple of players, but this is just to give the general idea of the types of players we can get with each top 5 pick and the probability for each tier.

1. 1st overall:
   • Franchise Players (56%): Ovechkin(04), Crosby(05), P. Kane(07), Stamkos(08), MacKinnon(13), McDavid(15), Matthews(16), Dahlin(18), Hughes(19)
   • Top pair/First line (25%): Tavares(09), Hall(10), Ekblad(14), Hischier(17)
   • Second pair/Top 6 (13%): E. Johnson(06), RNH(11)
   • 3rd line/5th D (0%):
   • Bust/Depth (6%): Yakupov(12)
2. 2nd overall:
   • Franchise Players (31%): Malkin(04), Doughty(08), Hedman(09), Barkov(13), Eichel(15)
   • Top pair/First line (25%): Seguin(10), Landeskog(11), S. Reinhart(14), Svechnikov(18)
   • Second pair/Top 6 (19%): J. Staal(06), JVR(07), Laine(16)
   • 3rd line/5th D (19%): B. Ryan(05), R. Murray(12), Kaapo(19)
   • Bust/Depth (6%): N. Patrick(17)
3. 3rd overall:
   • Franchise Players (19%): J. Toews(06), Draisaitl(14), Heiskanen(17)
   • Top pair/First line (13%): Duchene(09), Huberdeau(11)
   • Second pair/Top 6 (38%): J. Johnson(05), Bogosian(08), Strome(15), PLD(16), Kotkaniemi(18), Dach(19)
   • 3rd line/5th D (25%): Turris(07), Gudbranson(10), Galchenyuk(12), Drouin(13)
   • Bust/Depth (6%): Barker(04)
4. 4th overall:
   • Franchise Players (25%): Backstrom(06), Pietrangelo(08), Marner(15) Makar(17)
   • Top pair/First line (13%): B. Tkachuk(18), Byram(19)
   • Second pair/Top 6 (38%): Ladd(04), E. Kane(09), R. Johansen (10), Larsson(11), S. Jones(13), Bennett(14)
   • 3rd line/5th D (6%): Hickey(07)
   • Bust/Depth (19%): Pouliot(05), G. Reinhart(12), Puljujarvi(16)
   
   
5. 5th overall:
   • Franchise Players (13%): Price(05), Pettersson(17)
   • Top pair/First line (40%): Wheeler(04), Kessel(06), B. Schenn(09), M. Rielly(12), E. Lindholm(13), Hanifin(15)
   • Second pair/Top 6 (20%): Alzner(07), Niederreiter(10), R. Strome(11)
   • 3rd line/5th D (13%): L. Schenn(08), Hayton(18)
   • Bust/Depth (13%): Dal Colle(14), Juolevi(16)
   • Not enough NHL games so far to even speculate: Turcotte(19)

Feel free to move players around between the categories if you think I got some of them wrong, but that's a good starting point. For example both Marner and Backstrom could be considered 1st liners, Hanifin a 2nd pairing D etc.

If you look at 6th overall, there is a huge drop off in the odds of getting a star

Franchise Player: Tkachuk (16), Seider (19) 12.5%
Top Pair/1st Line: Zibanejad (11), H Lindholm (12), Monahan (13) 18.75%
2nd Pair/Top 6: Brassard (06), Gagner (07), OEL (09), Zacha (15) 25%
3rd Line/5th D: Glass (17) 6.25%
Bust/Depth: Montoya (04), Brule (05), Filatov (08), Connolly (10), Virtanen (14), Zadina (18) 37.5%

The odds of a bust goes up dramatically when you drop out of the top 5 of the draft. IMO if you're not committing to getting a top 5 pick you better draft well or you're just wasting a season for nothing. If we don't commit to the top 5, we need to draft well and hopefully add some good picks and prospects.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

L.A. is poised for a Cup run this year I think. Think they need to add defense depth and an insurance policy in goal. I know Markstrom was suggested here but not sure if some thing can get done there or not.

Is there a scenario where retention on Andersson gets you Clarke or Byfield?

That makes for close to the best top 4 in the league that can eat a ton of minutes locked in for 2 more after this year.

I’m sure they would love Andersson, but they have zero cap room.

Byfield would be untouchable for them. Not sure about Clarke.

But they’ll need to save cap in the coming years, so ready prospects are likely not going to be moved.