2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Maybe. Here are the Flames' top 5 picks: Sam Bennett

Here are some others:

Ollie Juolevi
Michael Dal Colle
Ryan Strome
Karl Alzner
Luke Schenn
Stanislav Chistov
Raffi Torres
Jesse Puljujarvi
Griffin Reinhart
Pavel Brendl

Now, that's not exactly fair and is cherry picked. But if you look at 4-5 picks there's a lot of good players, not as many elite/team altering ones. Carey Price, Cale Makar. That's about it.

Elias Petterson
Noah Hanifin
Jake Sanderson
Elias Lindholm
Phil Kessel
Jaromir Jagr
Brayden Schenn
Blake Wheeler
Morgan Rielly

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Now do 16-20

For elite players or just good? OK

Bobby Clarke
Ryan Getzlaf
Kaith Tkachuk
Robyn Regher
Michel Goulet
Larry Robinson
Marty Brodeur
Andre Vasilevsky
Brent Burns
Naslund
Tarasenko
Hertl



can I start at 15 and add Sakic and Macinnis?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Elias Petterson
Noah Hanifin
Jake Sanderson
Elias Lindholm
Phil Kessel
Jaromir Jagr
Brayden Schenn
Blake Wheeler
Morgan Rielly

One, maybe two elite, depending on if you think Petterson is. Others merely very good.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

One week from the NHL holiday roster freeze. Lets see if any trades precipitate.

We should have a poll. I vote no trades.

I just don't think Conroy is in any hurry.

[Toonage]

I think out of fear they move Tanev.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

One, maybe two elite, depending on if you think Petterson is. Others merely very good.

What is the alternative at this point though? Add to the roster? Draft picks don't always work out but the best bet is to get quantity.

[ForeverFlameFan]

It seems like the perfect team to mirror, in my opinion, is the Dallas Stars. Focusing on 2017 and beyond (where they landed a top 3 franchise pick in Heiskanen), they have landed contributing players with the first round picks they've used, save it be a couple that didn't pan out or jury is still out for them. They also struck gold on Robertson and Oettinger, who were also part of that 2017 draft class. I'll include Hintz too since he's a couple years off (2015) and is a major contributor to their team (2nd round stud):

R. Hintz (2015 / 49th OA) - 1C

2016/2017 - Finished 24th in the league, won 3rd OA)
M. Heiskanen (2017 / 3rd OA) - Franchise defenseman
J. Oettinger (2017 / 26th OA) - current top starting goalie in the league
J. Robertson (2017 / 39th OA) - Franchise winger

2017/2018 - Finished 19th in the league, missed playoffs
T. Dellandrea (2018 / 13th OA) - energy bottom 6 forward, (can't win them all)

2018/2019 - Finished 15th in the league, made playoffs
T. Harley (2019, 18th OA) - playing middle pairing minutes

2019/2020 - (COVID), Finished 10th OA, got to covid playoffs final against Lightning.
Mavrik Bourque (2020, 30th OA) - currently 32 points in 21 games in the AHL, should be a call up as soon as this year or next.

2020/2021 - (COVID) Finished 17th overall in the league, did not make covid playoffs.
W. Johnston (2021, 23rd OA) - Middle 6 center right now, likely stays behind Hintz as the 2C.

2021/2022 - Finished 15th, made playoffs.
L. Bichsel (2022 18th OA)- jury is still out, not a bad pick so far.

2022-2023 they finished 8th, made it to the conference finals, and traded their 1st away to contend.

Hardly included anyone outside of the 2nd round (there is Stankoven), but aside from 1st and 2nd round, the Stars have some pretty meh drafting. The Flames can do better with the scouts they have.

What we can take from here:

- Flames need to grab a top 10 pick in this draft if they don't win a top 3 spot.
- Grab as many top 64 picks as possible, in whatever year
- Sell players that aren't in the long term plans

As long as we are picking well with the 1st rounders and also land some late pick guys, we are going to be alright. Dallas has the luxury of attracting many free agents, which slightly offsets the poor drafting they have past the 1st round. For the most part, the players they select eventually get a cup a coffee to see if they really stick in the NHL or not.

One thing that stuck out to me the most was Robertson and looking as his career, he stayed in junior for an additional 2 years after drafted, played one season in the AHL where he wans't even PPG, and then once covid got under control he himself figured it out and became a PPG player. To me, that gives me high hopes for Honzek, who could very well be the same build as Robertson if he adds a little bit more weight.

We just have to be patient and continue to draft well.

TLDR: Flames need to sell
No method is linear
More picks = more darts, draft position doesn't matter.
Top 3 pick, if possible, is much needed.

^ Flames can check off a few of these boxes if they continue to lose and sell Hanifin/Linholm for picks/NHL ready prospects/players with term.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Bonded

What is the alternative at this point though? Add to the roster? Draft picks don't always work out but the best bet is to get quantity.

Not saying there's a better alternative to drafting.

I was just responding to the post that said "Top 5 = change the franchise". To which I just said "yeah, maybe, but maybe not".

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

All free agent contracts are inflated. If you don’t want to overpay for them, then you need the discipline to stay out the UFA market altogether. And if you choose to stay out of the UFA market altogether, you better have an excellent pipeline of prospects every year.

This is the point.

Stay out of free agency, except for the bargain bin. Keep the prospect pool healthy by not trading draft picks and acquiring extra picks whenever possible.

It's the only way I see a market like Calgary building something worth while. Brick by brick, and from within. Foster a culture where players want to stay and win, and if you aren't committed to being a Flame - goodbye.

[GioforPM]

I forget - who did Dallas trade to get the extra 2017 picks?

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I forget - who did Dallas trade to get the extra 2017 picks?

Patrick Eaves somehow returned them a first which turned into Oettinger.

Heiskanen and Robertson were their own picks, but they won the lottery to move from picking 9th to picking 3rd. Which is luck the Flames have never had.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Patrick Eaves somehow returned them a first which turned into Oettinger.

Heiskanen and Robertson were their own picks, but they won the lottery to move from picking 9th to picking 3rd. Which is luck the Flames have never had.

[Royle9]

Flames getting Macklin would be so dreamy

[getbak]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I forget - who did Dallas trade to get the extra 2017 picks?

They traded Patrick Eaves to Anaheim at the deadline that year for Anaheim's first rounder. They packaged the Anaheim pick with their own 3rd to move up three spots to get Oettinger.

Those were the only trades they made for picks that year.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Flames getting Macklin would be so dreamy

Scorp has me sold pretty hard on Cayden Lindstrom as a back up, but yeah - Celebrini is dreamy...

[SuperMatt18]

Purely hypothetical...and ignore all the no trade clauses for a second, but which team says no if this was proposed:

Huberdeau - $1.0M retained ($9.5M x 7)
Mangiapane ($5.8M x 1)
Dube ($2.3M - RFA)

($17.6M annual - $72.3M total salary commitment)

for

Gaudreau ($9.75 x 5)
Laine ($8.7M x 2)

($18.45M - $66.15M total salary commitment)

It's probably Columbus but I actually think it could make sense for both sides. Would never happen in the NHL where it's impossible to make trades but interesting to think about.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Purely hypothetical...and ignore all the no trade clauses for a second, but which team says no if this was proposed:

Huberdeau - $1.0M retained ($9.5M x 7)
Mangiapane ($5.8M x 1)
Dube ($2.3M - RFA)

($17.6M annual - $72.3M total salary commitment)

for

Gaudreau ($9.75 x 5)
Laine ($8.7M x 2)

($18.45M - $66.15M total salary commitment)

It's probably Columbus but I actually think it could make sense for both sides. Would never happen in the NHL where it's impossible to make trades but interesting to think about.

Jackets definitely say no. I wouldn't do it if I was Columbus on contract length alone

[SuperMatt18]

Feel like you'd probably need another bad contract coming back from Columbus at least...maybe Andrew Peeke and his 2 x $2.75M remaining after this season.

Huberdeau - $1.0M retained ($9.5M x 7)
Mangiapane ($5.8M x 1)
Dube ($2.3M - RFA)

($17.6M annual - $72.3M total salary commitment)

for

Gaudreau ($9.75 x 5)
Laine ($8.7M x 2)
Peeke ($2.75M x 2

($21.2M annual - $71.65M total salary commitment)

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

For elite players or just good? OK

Bobby Clarke
Ryan Getzlaf
Kaith Tkachuk
Robyn Regher
Michel Goulet
Larry Robinson
Marty Brodeur
Andre Vasilevsky
Brent Burns
Naslund
Tarasenko
Hertl



can I start at 15 and add Sakic and Macinnis?

always funny that a 15th overall is one of if not the best Flames draft pick ever. "draft 15th again blah blah blah blah"

they have also only drafted 15th a couple times in franchise history

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Feel like you'd probably need another bad contract coming back from Columbus at least...maybe Andrew Peeke and his 2 x $2.75M remaining after this season.

Huberdeau - $1.0M retained ($9.5M x 7)
Mangiapane ($5.8M x 1)
Dube ($2.3M - RFA)

($17.6M annual - $72.3M total salary commitment)

for

Gaudreau ($9.75 x 5)
Laine ($8.7M x 2)
Peeke ($2.75M x 2

($21.2M annual - $71.65M total salary commitment)

I'm almost certain you would have to give add something substantial...there is really no reason for Columbus to do this, they are just adding more term