2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Flamesfan05]

Should write off this season
Team is not good enough and there is no way to compete after trading the UFAs

People do not like to tank but that is the hard cold fact

The worse results the better

Conroy should keep that in mind and focus on trades for the future

[traptor]

Top 5 pick this year would be huge for this organization.
Would turn this from a dud year into a massive organizational W.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Should write off this season
Team is not good enough and there is no way to compete after trading the UFAs

People do not like to tank but that is the hard cold fact

The worse results the better

Conroy should keep that in mind and focus on trades for the future

You can't think any of that is news to the guys making the decision right?

They know who the UFAs are. They know the math to catch up.

I think we would have seen more of than moved already if the market moved to their asking price.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Bingo

You can't think any of that is news to the guys making the decision right?

They know who the UFAs are. They know the math to catch up.

I think we would have seen more of than moved already if the market moved to their asking price.

I know but it’s emotional for fans with the ups and downs

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Should write off this season
Team is not good enough and there is no way to compete after trading the UFAs

People do not like to tank but that is the hard cold fact

The worse results the better

Conroy should keep that in mind and focus on trades for the future

These guys are not re-signing with the Flames, so Conroy's gonna have to move them. I would be surprised if they are still here by the trade deadline

[gvitaly]

If Tanev is out long term then we need to trade Hanifin ASAP. I'm worried he's going to turn into a punpkin(defensively) without Tanev, and tank his trade value.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Retention spots: This is nothing new with Calgary. When the Flames entered the rebuild, Feaster famously declared Calgary "Open for Business", and that included taking bad cap hits. The compliance buyouts created a tonne of cap room all around, so essentially the market collapsed. However, the willingness was there then, and I will take Conroy at his word now that the Flames are looking to take on bad cap in exchange for assets, whether that is through retention on their own players, acting as middlemen and helping on retention with another deal, or taking on a player with a bad cap hit. I guess the proof will be in the pudding, but this team under Treliving has consistently had bad contracts and buyouts, and has spent to the cap. I don't see why people want to draw a line that doesn't exist.


As for Huberdeau: It certainly seems like in a way, this is Jokinen 2.0. Jokinen was that first line centre that the Flames were trying to get for Iginla for years. Only he wasn't. Jokinen was just the guy that Florida had taking all the shots... shot after shot after shot. He wasn't a dynamic player. In that facet, he was a huge disappointment. He did manage to reinvent himself, though his second time around was on a cheaper deal. He became a very good defensive forward with some depth scoring ability. People will always look terribly on him for how he 'failed' here, but I look at him as a pretty good redemption story. Huberdeau was more dynamic than Jokinen was, but he certainly has been just as big of a disappointment. Jury is out on if he bounces back, or if he reinvents himself, just like Jokinen did, but the difference that will haunt Huberdeau here is the 10.5 million dollar price-tag. That's going to be a barrier.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by traptor

Top 5 pick this year would be huge for this organization.
Would turn this from a dud year into a massive organizational W.

Maybe. Here are the Flames' top 5 picks: Sam Bennett

Here are some others:

Ollie Juolevi
Michael Dal Colle
Ryan Strome
Karl Alzner
Luke Schenn
Stanislav Chistov
Raffi Torres
Jesse Puljujarvi
Griffin Reinhart
Pavel Brendl

Now, that's not exactly fair and is cherry picked. But if you look at 4-5 picks there's a lot of good players, not as many elite/team altering ones. Carey Price, Cale Makar. That's about it.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

If Tanev is out long term then we need to trade Hanifin ASAP. I'm worried he's going to turn into a punpkin(defensively) without Tanev, and tank his trade value.

Tanev doesn't prop up Hanifin. Odd take IMO.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Maybe. Here are the Flames' top 5 picks: Sam Bennett

Here are some others:

Ollie Juolevi
Michael Dal Colle
Ryan Strome
Karl Alzner
Luke Schenn
Stanislav Chistov
Raffi Torres
Jesse Puljujarvi
Griffin Reinhart
Pavel Brendl

Now, that's not exactly fair and is cherry picked. But if you look at 4-5 picks there's a lot of good players, not as many elite/team altering ones. Carey Price, Cale Makar. That's about it.

So what you are trying to say is we need multiple high picks over 3-5 years.

[blankall]

Retention spots used on expiring contracts at the deadline really aren't that big of a deal. The deadline leaves you with about 20% of the season. If you retain half, you're only looking at 10% retention for one year. I doubt the owners are retaining on anything but expiring contracts though.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I think Hanifin will be fine without Tanev. He is a solid minute-muncher out there, and him scoring is certainly going to help sway some GMs and scouts looking at him right now. He has only been awful here when he played with Hamonic, and them together ended up losing the series to Colorado (or at the least, greatly contributing to that loss, as that pairing got eaten alive). Otherwise, Hanifin has been a good defencemen for this team, one that I will be sad to see go, but one that should be moved nonetheless.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by MrMike

So what you are trying to say is we need multiple high picks over 3-5 years.

The Flames did really well at 6th overall

[ForeverFlameFan]

I don't think where you draft matters, as long as you have the best scouts that will help you make the best selection for your organization. Obviously, if you're in the top 3 your selection is a little eaiser. Unless you've got a draft like 2014, where there wasn't really a consensus #1 pick.

2014 was our only selection in the top 5, where the top 4 was a general consensus. So, imo, we are exempt from calling that pick "bad" when in reality it was a great pick selecting the last of the top 4 in that draft.

Using that same draft, we have guys like Nylander at 8th, Ehlers at 9. Hell, even Pastrnak at 25th overall. 24 teams passed on him and he's arguably the best player in that draft. But focusing on the top 10 (I think Calgary likely ends up with a 5-9 pick), barring a Celebrini lottery win we just need to select the best player available. Our scouts have generally been pretty good at that. Can't be selecting someone like Dal Colle (don't know why he didn't pan out)/Virtanen (zero hockey IQ)/H. Fleury (average D-man)/N. Ritchie (because he's big). Nylander was my second favorite pick after Bennett, but it didn't make sense at the time to reach for him.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Maybe. Here are the Flames' top 5 picks: Sam Bennett

Here are some others:

Ollie Juolevi
Michael Dal Colle
Ryan Strome
Karl Alzner
Luke Schenn
Stanislav Chistov
Raffi Torres
Jesse Puljujarvi
Griffin Reinhart
Pavel Brendl

Now, that's not exactly fair and is cherry picked. But if you look at 4-5 picks there's a lot of good players, not as many elite/team altering ones. Carey Price, Cale Makar. That's about it.

No draft positions are infallible, but just playing the odds, combined with the hit rate on our amateur scouting, gives us a much better chance of adding a franchise-altering player.

There are no better alternatives right now that I can see.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by MrMike

So what you are trying to say is we need multiple high picks over 3-5 years.

If the theory is based on tanking/high picks, yes. And even then, it's not automatic as the poster suggested (look north).

You do need elite players, and the most likely place to get them is the draft (drafting high or drafting lucky). You do need the rest of the team as well, and a great goalie, which you usually draft (but not always) and which almost never comes from a high pick.

[sureLoss]

One week from the NHL holiday roster freeze. Lets see if any trades precipitate.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

If the theory is based on tanking/high picks, yes. And even then, it's not automatic as the poster suggested (look north).

You do need elite players, and the most likely place to get them is the draft (drafting high or drafting lucky). You do need the rest of the team as well, and a great goalie, which you usually draft (but not always) and which almost never comes from a high pick.

I think it is bigger for the organization from the perspective that they won't try and chase a fix through free agency or trading. Bottom out for 3 years and hope you hit on two high picks like Monahan and Tkachuk and get lucky with some hits in the 2nd through 7th rounds

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Maybe. Here are the Flames' top 5 picks: Sam Bennett

Here are some others:

Ollie Juolevi
Michael Dal Colle
Ryan Strome
Karl Alzner
Luke Schenn
Stanislav Chistov
Raffi Torres
Jesse Puljujarvi
Griffin Reinhart
Pavel Brendl

Now, that's not exactly fair and is cherry picked. But if you look at 4-5 picks there's a lot of good players, not as many elite/team altering ones. Carey Price, Cale Makar. That's about it.

Now do 16-20

[D as in David]

Win the next two draft lotteries and I'll be content. I'm not greedy.